It's amazing the lengths biblical Christians will go to in an effort to excuse Jesus for his false prophecies.
Posts by cofty
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33The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
Those are extreme claims for the Roman Catholic Church. Just because an early scientist was a Catholic - at a time when there was no other option - doesn't mean the church gets the credit for his work.
You have heard of galileo haven't you? Any charity work the church does is more than wiped out by its medieval dogma on marriage and sexuality.
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Dietary Quirks Among JWs
by millie210 ini recently had to accompany an older family member out of state to a family reunion.
it was a big reunion and not much was overtly made of the fact that i am "misguided" and not attending meetings (lost soul that i am) which was nice.
the thing i noticed that i was most struck by was all the dietary quirks in evidence during our 3 days together.
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Things I Cant Stand Since Leaving Watchtower
by pale.emperor inwhat a breath a fresh air to be free of watchtower.
now i can finally rant about the things i put up with that i'd never put up with now.. in no particular order:.
little kids in suits.
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cofty
Love it!
Can I also add underlining books and magazines please? My mother used/uses highlighters in multiple colours that all meant something to her. By the time she was finished there was not a single word that wasn't covered in fluorescent ink.
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
I think the trinity arose as a result of "facts on the ground". Early christians found themselves adoring Jesus who attained godlike status after his death and supposed resurrection. You can see the developing status of Jesus as you read the NT chronologically. That is why you can find proof texts on both sides. None of them even get close to an actual statement of the trinity.
Thus the evolution of an esoteric form of words that are blatantly self-contradictory but allowed christians to worship Jesus and still pretend to be monotheists. The HS was late to the party.
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
Discussing the Trinity with a JW (or really anyone) is of course a complete waste of time anyways
It really is. You can see how pointless it is by the bluster and obfuscation that you get when you ask for a very simple explanation.
The trinity is self-contradictory and trinitarians know it. That is why they hide behind esoteric Greek phrases that they don't even understand.
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
putting the burden of proof on me to defend an alternative reading which has not been disclosed.
I am doing no such thing. I am not asking you to defend any reading of any NT text.
I am objecting to you avoiding the challenge I raised pages ago by wanting to debate a proof-text that does nothing to establish support for the trinity - THREE persons. I know all the proof texts that seem to support the deity of Jesus and the personhood of the holy spirit and I know how to explain them away in context - every single one. I also know how to use the NT to argue compellingly for and against the trinity. I have no interest in rehashing all of that.
As you are well aware my challenge is to explain and illustrate the trinity simply and succinctly in your own words. The challenge remains unanswered.
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
Of course I want to get into it that is why I joined the conversation.
By focussing on a "proof text" you are hiding from the far more important challenge. I have dealt with the Isaiah text as a JW when speaking to an evangelical pastor. If we go down that route this thread will run to dozens of pages and at the end all we will have is a JWesque proof-texting competition. I know all the relevant texts in context very well - on both sides of the debate - and I will pay you the respect of assuming you do too.
Your work is still ahead of you.
By the way there are three persons in the trinity not two
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
From my earlier thread...
The apostles described themselves as witnesses of Jesus, they called him their only owner and Lord, and the one to whom they belonged. They were baptised in his name, led by his Spirit, rejoiced in his blessing and overflowed with praise for him.
But this is still a very long way from a trinity.
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The Trinity Easily Explained in 29 Words
by maccauk ina man can be a father .
a man can be a son.
a man can be a husband.
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cofty
The answer to your Isaiah quote is blindingly obvious but I'm not going to get into JWesque proof-texting with you, we have all been there and done that. I know all the texts on both sides of the debate as well as anybody.
By the way there are three persons in the trinity not two.
My challenge remains. All your work is ahead of you.