Asserting that accepting the fact of evolution requires faith is as obtuse as claiming that we need faith to believe that the moon is not made of cheddar cheese.
Posts by cofty
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41How to Argue for Creationism
by cofty inall creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.
a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.
creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.
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How to Argue for Creationism
by cofty inall creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.
a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.
creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.
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cofty
Belief in God is totally unrelated to the fact of evolution. Once again you are off-topic.
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How to Argue for Creationism
by cofty inall creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.
a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.
creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.
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cofty
One says: Matter created life - Venus
No they don't. There was no agency involved.
The other says God created life …what is the difference?
Again - there was no agency involved. They could hardly be more different.
The way of the nature is such that it can be interpreted in both the ways—either in favor of evolution or creation.
No it can't. Evolution is a fact beyond all reasonable doubt supported by mountains of evidence published in millions of peer-reviewed publications. Creationism is superstitious myth supported by absolutely nothing.
we find scientists from all avenues belonging to both the groups—evolution and creation
Although one might think that being a biologist or geologist or astronomer is required to prove a recent creation or intelligent design, creationists apparently disagree, as the list includes numerous of the following:
- mathematicians and statisticians — fields consisting almost entirely of a priori reasoning rather than scientific observation
- assorted medical professionals, including dentists, veterinarians and plastic surgeons
- engineers
- and even a couple of philosophers.
A large percentage of those signatories who do have a research record are retired.
Three-quarters of the signatories had no academic background in biology. The number of biologists actively researching biological issues even remotely related to evolution can be counted on one hand.
Some of the listed scientists are academics, almost all at evangelical Christian universities.
Even the actual scientists frequently work in fields completely unrelated to the subject at hand.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
that was my damn point, that it was wrong to say everything about evolution was known
Which is a pointless point since nobody ever said that - ever.
ppl who believe in darwinism fail to acknowledge darwinism is many things -- some are proven beyond all reasonable doubt, other things are very speculative
Who ever failed to acknowledge that?
saying it is all proven to be true is really overstating the evidence
But nobody ever made that claim.
Evolution is a fact beyond all reasonable doubt. An immense amount of detail is already known right down to a molecular and genetic level. A great deal more remains to be discovered.
I have never observed anybody claim otherwise.
IMO thats why so much of the discussion is not useful
Creationists have no interest in evidence, that is why conversations are often frustrating.
Please stop saying 'lol'.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
so saying it is all proven to be true is really overstating the evidence - Hothead
I found your strawman.
NOBODY EVER claimed everything about evolution is already known or proven.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
so saying it is all proven to be true is really overstating the evidence - Hothead
I found your strawman.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
So your point is that many things still await discovery by evolutionary biologists!
Do you have a Ph.D in stating the bloody obvious?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
sure you know better than wikipedia lol
Apparently I do in this instance. Nobody who wants to have a conversation about evolution talks about 'Darwinism'. If he was alive today he would not recognise very much of his own theory.
The origin of human thought, for instance.
What do you mean by 'human thought' exactly?
The development of very early life, for instance.
The fact of evolution is not dependant on abiogenesis. Having said that a great deal of progress is being made in discovering how geochemistry became biochemistry. Some of the most promising research is in the field of bioenergetics. I have described it elsewhere many times.
The evolution of flowers, for instance.
What about the evolution of flowers? A lot of stuff has been discovered about the evolution of angiosperms. What is your point? Just because a huge amount of detail remains to be discovered doesn't mean the fact of evolution is in doubt. What is your point?
See, when you just read a bunch of popular book about evolution everything looks very simple. When you look beneath the surface it is more complicated
When you read popular science nothing looks simple at all. Reading a lot about a subject is the best way to grasp how much there still is to learn. When you don't read anything then things seem simplistic.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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cofty
the problem is ppl who believe in darwinism fail to acknowledge darwinism is many things
Darwinism doesn't exist.
some are proven beyond all reasonable doubt, other things are very speculative
For example?
The simple fact that every living thing evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years is a certain as the fact that the earth is not flat.
SOMETIMES ppl who do not believe in evolution cite scientists with real degrees like BEHE?
Of course they do. Why are you telling me that? I never said otherwise. I refute Behe's bullshit on this forum regularly.
man you got some elder in you..
Pathetic.
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How to Argue for Creationism
by cofty inall creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.
a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.
creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.
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cofty
What a strange old sailor you are.