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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  Where can I read about your view of consciousness which is far superior than panpsychism?

  I have never written about consciousness but absolutely anything anybody has ever written on the topic makes more sense than panpsychism. It is unfalsifiable and therefore it isn't science.

  Rocks are not conscious. If you think otherwise go ahead and present your evidence.

  The only book I have read on the topic is 'Consciousness Explained' by Dan Dennett. Brilliant book but I remain unconvinced that he has solved it. The book is on my bookshelf behind me right now. I should reread it sometime but I have a lot of other stuff lined up at the moment.
  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  I thought we were talking about panpsychism. What is the connection between that and 'integrated information theory'? Do you have the slightest idea or are you just posting links you haven't read?

  I have actually presented information in the form of two links..

  Posting links has no connection to presenting information. Anybody can post a hundred links a minute without understanding any of them

  you are the person who don't present information asides your own opinion and straw men.

  I have dozens and dozens of threads of detailed information presented entirely in my own words. I never post about stuff I don't understand.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  I am under no obligation to carry out any silly task you decide to task me with and which would require considerable investment on my part.

  Presenting information that you find interesting and important is not silly. It's something I do frequently. If you don't present it succinctly in your own words then nobody will pay any attention to it. Why should they?

  If you understand the subject you are arguing for it will take very little effort to write up your thoughts. Of course you are under no obligation and I didn't 'task' you with anything. I said that if you really want to discuss it then that is how to go about it. Your choice. I have already read articles about panpsychism and found nothing at all to attract my further attention. It answers nothing, it raises more questions than it pretends to solve and it is unfalsifiable which shows it is not science.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  if you are willing to discuss the science

  There is no science involved in the woo-woo of panpsychism. There is nothing to discuss. If you disagree go start a thread and tell us specifically what it is all about, what the evidence is and why it matters. No videos and no copy-paste. Do that and I will treat it with respect.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  u can't prove how evolution created consciousness... but I don't dismiss any ideas as stupid bc I have an open mind!

  Rocks don't have personalities. Having an open mind is good but be careful your brain doesn't fall out.

  you still haven't explained why panpsychism is obviously wrong by the way.

  I said it is incapable of ever being proven right or wrong. Therefore it is 'not even wrong'.

  I said that twice - three times now.

  you just flail your arms and call it stupid

  I never called it stupid.

  lol.

  Unless you are 14 years old stop say 'lol'.
  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  'oh look complexity - therefore god' - Every creationist who has never read a science book ever.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  There is nothing useful to be read about panpsychism. It is admitted by its proponents that there is no evidence for the idea and no evidence against it. There is also no possible way to ever provide any evidence for or against it. It is an unprovable hypothesis and therefore it is by definition 'not even wrong'.

  If I propose that an invisible unicorn lives silently in my garage how much time would an intelligent person spend trying to prove I was wrong? Panpsychism is exactly like that. It does absolutely nothing to help us understand human consciousness. It is a pointless distraction.

  'what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence' - Christopher Hitchens.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  SBF has already been promoting this panpsychism woo-woo on two different threads recently. Very, very 'creatively-minded' people who are untroubled by the challenges of actual research are taking it seriously.

  It would be impossible to offer evidence either for or against it. In other words it is 'not even wrong'. See 'Hitchen's Razor'.

  The rest of us who live in the real world can safely assume that rocks do not have personalities.
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  How Many People Here Still Believe In “God”?

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  because of this site i realized that there were many people who were active jehovah’s witnesses really didn’t believe in god at all.

  i’m curious how many people believe in god?

  i’m not interested in debating why you shouldn’t have a belief in a god or should.

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  Not a game Minimus just a perfectly reasonable question.

  Many people who claim to believe in god actually have in mind a vague, nebulous notion of some - hopefully benevolent - supernatural being. Others are thinking about an imminent god who answers prayers, observes everything that happens, cares about who we sleep with and how we do it and who is going to punish those who don't return his 'love'.

  The difference is so profound that asking people if they 'believe in god' is a meaningless question that nobody should indulge without further explanation.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  what is the intelligence in Nature?

  Nature isn't a thing. You are indulging in a fallacy sometimes known as reism.

  Who is the designer in Nature?

  Not a 'who' but a 'what' - Natural selection.

  they inevitably come to the conclusion that Nature must equal God.

  Bollocks.