by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
Whereas some atheists appear to be convinced that God must conform to their standard of goodness or he should not or cannot exist
It's as if you are determined to twist everything I say - oh wait a minute!
The god of xtian theism must conform to his own self-proclaimed standard of love or that god of xtian theism cannot exist.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
Plus the problem of evil doesn't rule out God because there may be an answer we simply don't know, or cannot know. My own suspicion, no doubt very unpopular, is that we humans take ourselves too seriously when we think our suffereing matters very much. ... - SBF
Please anybody reading this go ahead and click the link and check the context. You will see SBF is lying when he accuses me of distortions.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
I see you haven't backed away from putting words in my mouth
I'm happy to look for the quote and provide a link so anybody can check the context. I was stunned!
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
How about trying to understand perspectives other than your own
I understand the perspective of theism perfectly.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
They trust that God has the answer
Since the most fundamental claim of xtianity is contradicted by objective reality what basis could there be for claiming that the god of Jesus exists?
You are putting the dilemma arse-backwards.
First present evidence that the god of Jesus - the god who is love - exists then and only then you can address the problem of natural evil.
Since there is no evidence for the god of Jesus and the facts of reality contradict the most fundamental claims about this god, you are left with nothing.
Or maybe orphaned children of the tsunami just take themselves too seriously.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
SBF - Have you backed away from your earlier assertion that victims just take their themselves 'too seriously'?
Or have you just thought better of saying again? It is undoubtedly the most callous thing I have ever read on this forum.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
A first cause might be the God of Christianity. - SBF
No the god of xtian theism is immanent. You don't get to confuse deism and theism. You already know how dishonest that is.
Really believing this means believing that God knows the reason for things even if we don't know or can't know
Exactly as an abuse wife keeps faith with her husband every time he beats her black-and-blue and tells her how it's her fault.
Eventually some new unexpected evidence emerges to reverse the guilty verdict.
No reasonable answer has been offered in 2000 years. Jesus had none, the bible has nothing, theologians have nothing but self-contradictory platitudes. The history of life on earth shrieks that xtians don't know what they are talking about.
Your answer is LITERALLY vacuous.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
To argue that a god of love is responsible for the pain and suffering from natural causes is less clear. If you believe in the OT view that God causes drought as punishment, he brings the rain, he causes the sun to stay in the sky ... he has a direct hand in natural events then the argument is good. Not everyone who believes in a god of love holds to that view. - Earnest
The god of xtian theism - the NT god and father of Jesus - is in complete control of planet earth. He designed it with moving and sticking tectonic plates. He observed pressure build for centuries prior to December 2004, and when it finally let go he remained in complete control of the consequences.
If a man plants landmines around a village and issues no warnings there would be no ambiguity about his responsibility for the death and injury that ensues.
My own belief, for what it is worth, is that there probably as a first cause which we could call god but everything else about god is a matter of faith.
And here we get to the heart of the problem. I have made it very clear I am discussing the god of xtian theism but you have been defending the couldn't-care-less deity of deism.
i just read the "atheists book of bible stories" by fred titanich, and i rather enjoyed it.
alot indeed.
do you have any suggestions for books that touches the same subject?
Whose Word is it? by Bart Ehrman is an interesting read.
Also 'God's Problem' by the same author.
by evolution or by creation?
by evolution or by creation?
"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".
How did we get here from the OP question: "Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?
Because Earnest thought he would have a go at the challenge of the tsunami thread on there rather than address it directly over there. Then SBF waded in with bullshit he has already raised over there and had answered in full.
