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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

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  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  my thought when reading the Bible, is that the prophet's families shunned and left them for going against their beliefs at the time, not the other way around with the prophets wishing to abandon their own families. - NonJWSpouse

  No this is to read back into the NT something that isn't there.

  Peter for example literally walked out on his wife and children in order to FOLLOW Jesus. His promise to them was that nobody would give up wives or families or fields or anything esle who would not get a thousand fold when he arrived in his kingdom.

  He was a dangerous wrecker of families and a false prophet.

  Xtians were not thrown out of the synagogues until after his death.
  
  
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  without Christianity, for all I know, we might still be crucifying politically and theologically inconvenient itinerant rabbis - SRM

  Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who - like all his ilk - misled his followers. His preaching about giving everything away to the poor only made any sense in the context of his imminent parousia. He persuaded his disciples to abandon their wives and families and literally follow him around Palestine preaching a false hope.

  Any useful insights that he shared are more than overshadowed by this.
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  I am confused about why people conflate the word 'christian' with goodness or morality.

  Both the ancient and recent history of the church suggests there is no such connection.
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  You go to bed at 9pm? What about Graham Norton?
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  cofty

  any moral statement is a matter of opinion, rather than a matter of fact. Unless, that is, one believes one's own moral understanding to be equivalent and identical to that ideal morality sometimes called 'God's Will'.

  That isn't true.

  In fact it is only possible to discern objective morality by first excluding god from the conversation.
  
  
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  What’s your opinion—-Wearing a Trump Hat ok to get kicked out of bar?

  by minimus in

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  maga hat...make america great again .

  guy wears it in nyc bar and gets thrown out.

  manhattan court throws out the case citing that since its not religious discrimination, it’s the bar’s right.. what so you think about this?

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  Of course it's the bar's right to refuse service.

  Many city centre pubs in the UK don't allow people in wearing football colours. It helps avoid conflict.
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  JDub with pink hair at a cart - Video from SW England

  by Wakanda in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maenrmttb-u&list=plj1cxa6hnc11blsv8iz9lzlux_zz6onyd&index=109.

  go to minute nine for the third clip.

  what is up with that hair???

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  Who is that nutter? He has a restraining order that prevents him from going into churches? WTF?
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  J.W's Brain LOCKDOWN

  by Phizzy in

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  i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.

  it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.

  they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.

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  One of the problems you are up against is that JWs will always assume that unloving actions are the fault of 'imperfect' elders. If only the GB knew what was really going on they would put it right.

  The same thing happened under Stalin. He was personally behind the atrocities committed in the USSR but the people blamed lesser officials and wrote letters of appeal to him.

  That is why I think both emotional appeal and facts are important. When bad things happen the mental shields come down and doubts flourish.
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  J.W's Brain LOCKDOWN

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.

  it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.

  they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.

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  cofty

  It's not that you have ever presented a 'fact' I couldn't deal with, it's sometimes that I just can't be bothered responding to your bullshit.

  Now stop hijacking an excellent OP.
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  J.W's Brain LOCKDOWN

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know we often talk of the mind control and how jw's believe what they are taught because they are controlled as to the information they receive, but i think the mind control goes frighteningly beyond simply keeping information away from them.. the jw mind is in lockdown.

  it simply cannot accept facts, evidence, reasoning or whatever that goes against what they believe.

  they cannot assimilate and consider an argument, it is not that they are being awkward, or willfully blind, their minds are so shut down they are incapable of taking in what is being presented.. i am aware of how, in common with other cults and high control groups the j.w org achieves this state among its members, but how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ?.

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  by the avoidance of facts - SBF

  This from 'po-mo man' who rages against the 'tyranny of facts' and proclaims that there is no such thing as a fact.

  how on earth do we open such a solidly closed mind ? - Phizzy

  I think you go on presenting facts. Don't underestimate the cumulative effect. Often it's when the individual is offended by the cult that those facts become meaninful.