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  Heb. 1:2-3 Proof we should worship Jesus?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jw.org believes that jesus is not god but a separate entity.

  let's go with that for the time being.

  in the referenced scriptures the writer of hebrews says that jesus "sustains all things by the word of his power" and has been "appointed heir of all things".

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  The oldest song books contained many words of praise addressed to Jesus.
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  Interview With An Apostate: LoveUniHateExams

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  me too, i had to have a study with a jw.

  then, a month or two later, another one of my ‘worldly’ mates (dan) asked me “are you going out with emma?” i told him no.

  dan had also asked rob himself and rob had said that he wasn’t involved with emma.

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  Thanks LUHE good read.
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  let us do this voluntarily, because we think it good and right and just. And, for those of the rich who cannot bring themselves to part with their money, let us pity them the fate that Jesus warned of in the parable of Lazarus - From the OP

  According to SRM's OP eternal torment awaits those who fail to follow his economic plan - but it's all voluntary!

  He still can't see the contradiction, despite it being pointed out again and again.

  This is what 'faith' does to an otherwise intelligent mind.
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  SRM believes his actions towards the poor will have consequences in terms of eternal rewards or punishment.

  There is absolutely nothing voluntary about that.

  It is impossible to have a sensible conversation about objective morality until you first exclude god-talk.
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  Cardinal George Pell Senior Member of the Vatican on Sex Charges in Australia to stand Trial.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  cardinal george pell will return to court in a fortnight ,he has been committed to stand trial relating to multiple complainants .. magistrate belinda wallington struck out about half the charges including the most serious of them .. cardinall george pell denies all charges against him.. the world media is watching the outcome of this trial he is the most senior member of the vatican to be charged with such an offence and by, all people , australians who have conducted their own arc into institutionalized child sexual abuse of children .. we wait with baited breath ( for a just outcome ) in all of these investigations ..

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  Come Home Cardinal Pell by Tim Minchen

  [Verse 1]

  It's a lovely day in Ballarat

  I'm kicking back, thinking of you

  I hear that you've been poorly

  I am sorry that you're feeling blue

  I know what it's like when you feel a little shitty

  You just want to curl up and have an itty-bitty doona day

  But a lot of people here really miss you, Georgie

  They really think you ought to just get on a plane

  (Just get on a plane)

  We all just want you to...

  [Chorus 1]

  Come home, Cardinal Pell

  I know you're not feeling well

  And being crook ain't much fun

  Even so, we think you should

  Come home, Cardinal Pell

  Come down from your citadel

  It's just the right thing to do

  We have a right to know what you knew

  [Verse 2]

  Couldn't you see what was under your nose, Georgie

  Back in '73 when you were living with Gerry?

  Is it true that you knew but you chose to ignore

  Or did you actively try to keep it buried?

  And years later, when survivors

  Despite their shame and their fear

  Stood up to tell their stories

  You spent year after year

  Working hard to protect the church's assets

  I mean, with all due respect, dude

  I think you're scum!

  And I reckon you should...

  [Chorus 2]

  Come home, Cardinal Pell

  (Cardinal Pell)

  I know you're not feeling well

  Perhaps you just need some sun

  It's lovely here, you should

  Come home, you pompous buffoon

  (Pompous buffoon)

  And I suggest do it soon

  I hear the tolling of the bell

  And it has a Pellian knell

  [Bridge]

  I want to be transparent here, George:

  I'm not the greatest fan of your religion

  And I personally believe that those

  Who cover up abuse should go to prison

  But your ethical hypocrisy

  Your intellectual vacuity

  And your arrogance don't bother me as much

  As the fact that you have turned out to be such

  A goddamn coward

  You're a coward, Georgie

  (You're a coward, George)

  Come and face the music, Georgie

  (Face the music, George)

  You owe it to the victims, Georgie

  (You owe it, George)

  Come and face the music, the music

  Hallelujah, hallelujah

  If the Lord God omnipotent reigneth

  He would take one look at you and say:

  (One look at you and say)

  [Chorus 3]

  "Go home, Cardinal Pell

  I've got a nice spot in hell

  With your name on it and so

  I suggest you toughen up and...

  "Go home, Cardinal Pell

  I'm sure they'll make you feel wel-

  Come at the pub in Ballarat

  They just want a beer and a chat"

  Come home, Cardinal Pell

  (Cardinal Pell)

  I know you're scared, Georgie-Poo

  (Come home)

  They have a right to know what you knew

  Your time is running out to atone, Georgie

  I think the Lord is calling you home, Georgie

  Perhaps he could forgive even you

  If you just let them know what you knew

  [Outro]

  Oh, Cardinal Pell

  My lawyer just rang me to tell

  Me this song could get me

  In legal trouble

  Oh well, Cardinal Pell

  If you don't feel compelled

  To come home by a sense

  Of moral duty

  Perhaps you will come home and fricking sue me
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  Cardinal George Pell Senior Member of the Vatican on Sex Charges in Australia to stand Trial.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  cardinal george pell will return to court in a fortnight ,he has been committed to stand trial relating to multiple complainants .. magistrate belinda wallington struck out about half the charges including the most serious of them .. cardinall george pell denies all charges against him.. the world media is watching the outcome of this trial he is the most senior member of the vatican to be charged with such an offence and by, all people , australians who have conducted their own arc into institutionalized child sexual abuse of children .. we wait with baited breath ( for a just outcome ) in all of these investigations ..

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  Can You Make Sense Of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a child growing up, i would see different arguments to defend a certain belief.

  it may have required mental gymnastics in order to make a point but there was an actual attempt to explain, teach, and educate....even if the belief or teaching was bogus.. nowadays, it appears that jws couldn’t explain any belief.

  they are drones and do as “mother “ has directed..

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  It's the end product of a decades-long process of infantilization.
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  Will A Rapid Increase In Human Intelligence Lead To World Peace Between Governments

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. social
  2. current

  with the exponential grow in computer processing power and deep mind studies of intelligence and ai and the possibility that we can hook up our minds to this super intelligence(elon musk's solution) and that this super intelligence can explore what is,, without human bias and selfishness and come to better non violent solutions to the big problems facing humans and all things.

  i see a super intelligence if made in the best possible way would have to be without any built in bias obscures information and will be faulty.. i'm thinking that with great advancements in the fields of psychology, and science the human race will reap many benefits money may even become a thing of the past the way i see it.. being that we are humans capable of both good and bad this technology increase will mean some suffering from man's bad side it can't be helped but i do feel that man's evolution will move in a rather rapid exponential direction towards good by us coming to terms with recognizing our shadow(jung) and emptying it, this alone would stop a lot of warring and a much more sane relationship with other governments.

  the more shadow projections we take back the better we get along with people the less we take offence, i see it becoming common knowledge in the future and more psychological profiles of world leaders up for grabs with this increase in information acting as a teacher for the public to tone down violent tendencies of these leaders.

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  I think you have a naive perspective on the potential of technology.

  We are humans, we always will be.

  I do feel that man's evolution will move in a rather rapid exponential direction towards good by us coming to terms with recognizing our shadow(Jung) and emptying it

  How is this not just a word salad?
  
  
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  My JW Elder Brother Passed Away

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he was basically a good man, just a believer in the religion.

  when we were both elders we were best of friends and then things deteriorated when i was not an elder for a while.

  then after becoming an elder again, i slowly drifted away from the religion and he drifted further away from me.

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  My condolences Minimus.
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  Wealth, Poverty, and Morality

  by SecondRateMind in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the approach this forum takes to money.

  apart from sex, (which i am quite relaxed about) it seems to me that wealth is the surest divider between those who are moral, and those who are not.. it seems jesus thought so, also.

  luke 16:19-31 kjv describes well enough his dusty attitude to the rich who do not succour the poor.. and this world has many poor: so many, it might seem that we can do nothing about it, and twist his words; 'the poor ye shall have always with you, but me, ye shall not have always.

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  You thought you would parade your virtue on a religious discussion forum. Turns out there were people here who challenged your politics, your economics and your theology and you were unprepared to defend any of it.

  If you come back try showing a bit more humility.