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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

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  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  Perry it occurred to me today what a spectacular own-goal you scored yesterday.

  The research that you drew attention to destroys the fundie xtian concept of animal 'kinds'. The central point of the paper was the profoundly significant differences between species at the level of mitochondrial DNA.

  That removes the usual lame apologetic waffle about Noah taking 'kinds' of animals on the Ark as representative of multiple species. Instead it would be necessary for Noah to take two (or five) of every one of the 8.7 million species on the Ark. It also provided powerful evidence that our 8.7 million extant species emerged from earlier ancestors 200,000 years ago.

  Your only get-out of your risible flood myth has just been demolished by a study that you drew our attention to because your wrongly thought it undermined evolution.

  I think that is called being 'hoisted by your own petard'.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  for me to say that life came from nothing or the primordial soup, does not cut it. - blownaway

  Firstly well done for drawing a distinction between the origin of life and evolution. So many creationists conflate the two - the Watchtower are notorious for doing this.

  The origin of life is a field of study called abiogenesis. There have been many exciting developments in recent years. Nobody has thought in terms of 'primordial soup' for many decades. The most promising research is being done by scientists working in the field of bioenergetics. The key question is not building the components of life but how life could be sustained - life is not a thing, a force or an immaterial energy, it a process. In the words of a Russian scientist it is an electron looking for a place to rest. The evidence that life arose in Alkaline vents under the ocean is very compelling. If you are interested in knowing more I recommend 'The Vital Question' by Nick Lane.

  You are correct in saying that evolution is a fact. Every extant species descended from a common ancestor over millions of years by a process of unguided evolution. The complexity and 'design' of living things is a result of natural selection. This much is a fact beyond sensible dispute.

  If you want to grasp how amazingly complex organisms can arise from simpler forms see 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Dawkins. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

  There are forty threads in this series that survey some of the evidence.

  Edited to add - you might enjoy this presentation...

  ...
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  Why Do People Oppose Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by BlackSpirit in

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  jesus christ, the son of the most high god, jehovah has this to say: "if the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.

  if you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own.

  now because you are no part of the world, but i have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

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  cofty

  Black Spirit you are parroting cult doublethink.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  Hooby - I promised to respond to your post.

  It's such a shambolic word salad where to begin?

  How about you explain to us how 'lateral transposition' has anything to do with a discussion about a protein in eukaryotic species - or are you just paraphrasing something you read and didn't understand?
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  EQV - Please provide a link to your quote. Who said that and what is the context?
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  The study is in the journal Human Evolution.... not a creationist source. - Perry

  My question was why you posted a link to a ridiculous, dishonest article that totally misrepresented the paper rather than posting a link to the original paper. You avoid answering the question and pretend you did the opposite. Why?

  I post this because it is favorable toward a worldview which I believe

  Except that it isn't. The paper about mitochondrial DNA discusses the age of extant species. It points to a date of approx 200,000 years when most modern species emerged from pre-existing species. It presupposes common ancestry from an origin billions of years ago. It does nothing to support your creationist superstitions.

  The rest of your post about dinosaur DNA has been answered so many times on this forum it is risible that you keep raising it without acknowledging that. The mere fact that you are still linking carbon dating with dinosaur bones proves that you have no interest in learning anything.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  Perry - The article you linked is written misleadingly by a journalist who clearly doesn't understand the significance of the paper or who has wilfully misrepresented it. Why didn't you link to the original paper?

  Here it is here...

  It's only 30 pages and it's not too challenging. It is a very interesting report on comparisons between the mitochondrial DNA of a wide range of species.

  The paper does NOT suggest that life originated all at the same time but that the age of extant species can be traced back to founder populations around 200,000 years ago. Two possibilities are suggested for why that is the case. There is NOTHING in the paper that in any way undermines the fact of evolution. It is a discussion about the pace of speciation. Please read the original paper not the appallingly bad, sensationalist bullshit article in Tech Times.

  Do creationists get news alerts for this sort of crap or do you find the links on other creationist websites? Get out of your self-imposed ignorance bubble.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  they will even go so far as to insist that science be defined as the search for “naturalistic explanations” Such a view excludes the possibility of creation a priori - Hooby

  You are confusing 'methodological naturalism' and 'ontological naturalism'.

  Anders has explained to you above why resorting to supernatural explanations is the opposite of science. 'god-did-it' is a lazy non-answer to all questions. The task of science is to find naturalistic answers - this is 'methodological naturalism'. Scientists who are also committed christians also follow this principle.

  However this does not require that scientists presume 'ontological naturalism' - the position that supernatural explanations are impossible. The point is that no such explanations are necessary to explain any feature of biological evolution.

  I will get to your extremely muddled second post later this evening. So many scientific misunderstandings!
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  cofty

  From this point forward on this thread I am minimizing direct dialogue with the poster cofty - Hooby

  Of course you are.

  Your intellectual cowardice is duly noted but that isn't how a discussion forum works. Will catch up with your latest offering shortly.
  
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  My son graduated last Friday

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

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  i have talked about him before on this forum.

  he is now a graduate from mit!.

  it was a lovely weekend.. i got to meet some of the friends he has made in the past four years, and some of their families.. they were very nice, decent, friendly, and enjoyable people.

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  That's brilliant. It's really satisfying to see our children enjoy opportunities we were denied.