Carnby - If I wrote a satirical post pretending to be an especially ignorant fundamentalist xtian misrepresenting the naturalist position as egregiously as possible, I could not hope to match your post.
Well played and welcome to the forum.
Posts by cofty
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40Naturalism is Dead - Why Are Believers Stuck in the Past?
by Perry insigmund freud, karl marx and charles darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought.
they differed in many ways but had one thing in commonthey were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes.
they were the pillars of naturalism.. but their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting.
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cofty
Contrast and compare the facts and information in my posts in this thread with yours.
The difference is in the years spent learning new things.
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EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!
by MuchCloserLook inso, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!
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cofty
The best way to expose the ignorance and evil at the heart of the Watchtower is to let a JW speak.
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cofty
MCL - I offered to share my considerable knowledge with you and answer your questions with patience and respect.
You chose mockery and facile memes.
If you ever think better of it and decide that a mature conversation might be interesting the offer stands.
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cofty
An electron is the source of life? Did you buy the Golden Gate Bridge?
I didn't say that did I?
Every living thing on earth consumes energy. The key to understanding life and its origins is to unlock how something non-living began to use energy to sustain its processes. In other words how geochemistry became biochemistry.
How much do you know about cellular respiration? You could ask thoughtful questions about that or you could shout and mock and expose your ignorance of the topic. You chose the latter.
What is so difficult about design being the result of intelligence?
It's not 'difficult' it's simplistic, it's just a non-answer. There was a time people thought rainbows were painted in the sky by god as a promise that he will not repeat the Noachian flood. Then along came the Enlightenment and we learned about optics which led to all sorts of useful inventions.
Evolution is similar. We want to know how many species evolved from a common ancestor. Beating the coronavirus will depend in part on knowledge of evolutionary genetics.
ETA - The study of abiogenesis and bioenergetics has already led to advances in transplant medicine.
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EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!
by MuchCloserLook inso, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!
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cofty
so spent months in the Library studying the background of the Bible
During these months did you notice the appalling morality and ethics of people who are held up as examples of faith?
How do you feel about the infanticide prescribed by Yahweh? The kidnap and rape? How about the advocacy of slavery? Do you think it is ever okay for one human to own another as chattel?
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cofty
By the way please take your time. This is a discussion forum. That means at its best you have to read your interlocutor's words carefully and respond thoughtfully to what they have actually written.
Sadly it's a rare skill.
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cofty
If you can't admit science knows SQUAT about what life IS and how it BEGAN, they you refuse, also, to see the rest is sheer guesswork - MCL
Actually science can define life very precisely and knows a huge amount about where, when and how life emerged on earth. I have read a number of books on this very topic in recent years, the most interesting was The Vital Spark by Nick Lane of University College London. He and his team are making fantastic progress in the field of bioenergetics. In other words the key to understanding life and its origins is working out where the energy for life came from.
'Life is nothing but an electron looking for a place to rest' - Albert Szent-Györgyi
I'm not avoiding the subject of abiogenesis because I don't have answers I am offering to stick to the topic of evolution and discuss abiogenesis on a separate thread.
Let's say for sake of argument that life began with an act of divine creation 3.5 billion years ago. Since then every species that has ever lived descended from LUCA through unguided evolution.
Even if I credit god with the origin of life you still have all your work ahead of you to explain the overwhelming body of evidence for the fact of evolution.
So if you can agree to less 'gotcha' rants and more respectful dialogue maybe we can get a conversation started.
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EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One!
by MuchCloserLook inso, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!
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cofty
What are the biggest reasons that make you convinced about the fundamentals of your faith and is there any potential information that could make you question them?
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MCL - I have spoken to you respectfully and offered to spend as much time as you wish to share my knowledge about evolution. In return you have tried to change the subject, refused to admit your error and responded with hysteria.
Are you genuinely interested in learning anything?
I could discuss abiogenesis if you want but your thread, and my response was about evolution. It's telling that you don't understand the huge gulf between the two subjects. This is precisely what the Watchtower does in every publication it it has written on the topic. The WT books and booklets about evolution display appalling ignorance and dishonesty.
I will offer a deal. If you stick to evolution I will address the current evidence for abiogenesis in a separate thread after that.