Posts by cofty

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

we are under a sentence of death. We are not God's children. He has absolutly zero obligation to any of us for anything good at all. Your next breath is a kindness from the Lord - Breezy

It's almost impossible to get theists to focus on the actual question. It's not surprising since facing up to the challenge you are being presented with -rather than the one you wish you were being asked - leaves you having to admit your god is an evil monster.

NOBODY SENSIBLE is saying evil proves a god can't exist. But evil - especially natural evil - proves conclusively the the god of christian theism is a fantasy.

It is truly amazing to watch christians try to cut the Gordian Knot by admitting their god murders innocent babies without the slightest care. Except that it totally fails to solve their dilemma. A generic god might act that way but the god revealed in Jesus cannot.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

I live every day knowing that if fire came out of heaven and incinerated me on my driveway, I would only be getting what I deserve.

Dehumanising death cult.

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would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.

were you more happy pimi?

are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.

cofty

I would be interested if someone found the missing link or some other new discovery that could prove chance theory

Dozens of accessible books and 38 million academic papers describe hundreds of transitional forms (so called missing links). So far you have read zero. You have no interest at all.

Calling it 'chance theory' is embarrassing for you.

Try 'Why Evolution is True' by Jerry Coyle. You can get it for peanuts second hand and it could be understood by a high school child.

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Supreme Court Decision on Free Speech this week

by dropoffyourkeylee in

this week's first amendment case has a slant that may sound familiar to jws.

most are aware that the wt won a number of supreme court decisions in the '40s related to free speech (the first amendment of the us constitution).

in particular, the flag salute case in '39, which they lost, tried to argue that not saluting the flag was a religious issue.

cofty

If it was a case of a business refusing to serve a gay couple that would be wrong. But I think it was a business that declined to help with a project that promoted a gay lifestyle. It is definitely the correct decision that nobody should be forced to use their labour to do something that conflicts with their views.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

God made everything. He has every right to do as he pleases with his own creation. - Badfish

I agree, an omnipotent creator is free to be an evil monster.

But he can't be an evil monster AND be the god Jesus preached. Choose one.

Your worldview is internally inconsistent.

his ways are higher than ours

He kills infants. He approves of slavery, kidnap, rape and infanticide. His ways are most definitely NOT higher than mine.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

I see people that think (delusionally) they are better than God

I am better than god. I don't murder children. I didn't write a book that promotes slavery, kidnap, rape and infanticide.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

A child falls into the path of a train, a Submarine crew is crushed to death, a newborn baby dies, you die at 100, none of it matters - DD

THIS is why Christianity is a horrible death cult.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

Theists proclaim the necessity of belief (believe or perish) in a god as follows;

He is immanent (constantly active in the world)
He created a perfect world for human life
He is all knowing - nothing escapes his notice
He is all powerful - he can do anything that is logically possible
He is the epitome of love
His son - who is his image - revealed the meaning of god's love in practical concern for others; even his enemies
He has so much care for his human creation it is as if he knows the very number of hairs on the head of every person
Nothing happens without his knowledge or consent

Reality - He drowns thousands of infants in tsunamis and crushes them to death in earthquakes every year.

The theist, instead of accepting the god they proclaim to be impossible, indulges in the most tortuous mental gymnastics that amounts in many cases to gas lighting.

I could, and perhaps will, compile a list of some of the best and worst examples of theodicies we have seen in this forum

To say that we just can't understand why god does these things is like saying a best friend - who has been discovered to be a serial killer of infants - might have his own good reasons. As soon as you go down that road you become an apologist for the worst crimes imaginable. Sophistry is the kindest interpretation.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

My issue is not just the evil that god allows but the evil that he commits.

God annihilates thousands of innocent children regularly in natural disasters. No amount of SBFs sophistry can excuse that.

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Moral responsibility.

by nicolaou in

no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

cofty

In our heart of hearts, we all know the Christian God

One of the most stupid and arrogant lies that theists tell one another.