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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  cofty

  ignore - see below
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  cofty

  SB - We haven't even began to discuss the foundation for godless morality. You refuse to talk about it despite your constant requests to talk about it.

  Morals are simply the name we give to the way we choose to act towards other conscious creatures.

  Morals can be judged on the basis of the effect our words and actions have on others. Do they promote the flourishing of others or not?

  Often the answer is obvious such as in the OP; other times it is complex and involves conflicting interests.

  Pretending there is some divine law-giver who decides adds nothing useful. Especially when it turns out that this ultimate source of morality prescribes actions that we all find repulsive.

  You have so far made no effort to respond to these simple introductory points. Do you want a conversation or not?
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  Sea Breeze - Is it always wrong to murder children en masse?

  Is kidnap and rape always wrong?

  Is it always wrong to own another human being as chattel?

  We can say yes because there are no circumstances where doing such things promotes the flourishing of conscious creatures and morality is ultimately nothing more than the choices we make in our interactions with others.

  You have a problem if you say yes don't you?
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  Telling people what they 'know' when they clearly believe no such thing is an especially obnoxious trait of presuppossionalists.
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  SB - You have been asking repeatedly about where morality comes from without god, you answer it and you ignore it and post a link.

  You are not somebody to be taken seriously.
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  This is the primary purpose of man - to love God; it is why we are here. It is why there is anything at all. The second purpose is to love our neighbor as ourself

  Which apparently can include slavery and infanticide. Awkward!

  Morality is not about convention. It is objective because it is founded on actions that promote the flourishing of others. 'Godly' morality is arbitrary. It is based on divine whims and can include actions that are morally repugnant to all reasonable humans.
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  No ... and?

  Is your defence of god something like, 'humans do bad stuff too'
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  Were you defending slavery when you were a Christian?

  No I was telling lies about the fact that god prescribes slavery by obfuscating about indentured servitude.

  Slavery has been defended on this forum by xtians many times. So has infanticide. Theism turns some people into moral retards.
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  Cofty: How do you know what brings happiness to other creatures?

  Where did I mention happiness? Don't strawman me or we are finished.

  Making somebody a slave doesn't promote their well being. Kidnapping them and raping them doesn't either.

  Murdering babies en masse definitely doesn't promote anybodies well being.

  How come we all know this but fundi xtians don't?
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  168

  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  cofty

  It's such a relief as a former theist to no longer have to defend the indefensible