In my experience the latter one is valid, the former is not.
People who want to do what they want to do don't waste years investigating the facts and wrestling with the issues, they just get on with it and bury their doubts.
Posts by cofty
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282Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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cofty
I'm not sure I follow you caliber. Do you mean atheists take refuge in evolution hoping there is no god so they won't be held accountable for their morals? or, Do you mean the problem of theodicy is a factor in moving many to reject god and investigate evolution?
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by Mattieu inexcuse me so called holy spirit directed governing body; what do you do when you discover that a long term hospital liaison committee elder who gives talks at all1 day assemblies, 2 day assemblies & district assemblies and is quite prominent n the victorian/nsw circuit, is addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno?
and oh, if you have print outs of his internet log ins and internet history fully detailing his log ins from his work computer???
and im not talking breach of privacy, im talking his breach of work usage of computers, of which im in charge of the it.
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cofty
I have often wondered if those in higher positions actually believe in God and if that is not the reason there are so many atheists on this board who served in positions as JW's - The Finger
Not in my experience. I just think that elders c/o and d/o are no different from anybody else, they just have more reasons to pretend they are. Why so many become atheist is another topic.
Outlaw, I think it has been established there was no child porn involved
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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cofty
Scotsman have you read any good scientific sources on the fossil record - or on any aspect of evolution - or do you prefer to cherry pick the internet?
"Evolution - What The Fossils Says and Why it Matters" by Donald Prothero would be a great place to start.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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cofty
Will lead eventually change to gold
No. Evolution only acts on things that reproduce. Best to try to understand stuff before you criticise it
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Moral Dilemma
by Mattieu inexcuse me so called holy spirit directed governing body; what do you do when you discover that a long term hospital liaison committee elder who gives talks at all1 day assemblies, 2 day assemblies & district assemblies and is quite prominent n the victorian/nsw circuit, is addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno?
and oh, if you have print outs of his internet log ins and internet history fully detailing his log ins from his work computer???
and im not talking breach of privacy, im talking his breach of work usage of computers, of which im in charge of the it.
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cofty
So personally, I dont know why you are defending this guy, or why you think Im posting this for entertainment.
What gives you the idea I am defending him? From what you have said he is a hypocrite and a bully, the borg is full of them. I am trying to clarify whether or not he is a danger to children. Your opening post clearly implied he was - apparently he is not.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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cofty
genius :)
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Moral Dilemma
by Mattieu inexcuse me so called holy spirit directed governing body; what do you do when you discover that a long term hospital liaison committee elder who gives talks at all1 day assemblies, 2 day assemblies & district assemblies and is quite prominent n the victorian/nsw circuit, is addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno?
and oh, if you have print outs of his internet log ins and internet history fully detailing his log ins from his work computer???
and im not talking breach of privacy, im talking his breach of work usage of computers, of which im in charge of the it.
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cofty
Thx for your balanced & independant viewpoint Cofty, though when did I mention child abuse???
addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno
Under-age porn by definition involves children. If they are being photographed in sexual activity this is child abuse. There is no such thing as "child porn" there are only child-abuse images. If he is viewing this sort of material you have a legal and moral duty to turn him in to the police. If he is not you should not have said he was viewing under-age porn.
As I said you have given enough info to identify him in this thread. I think he sounds like a total prick by the way but apparently not the criminal your OP suggests
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Moral Dilemma
by Mattieu inexcuse me so called holy spirit directed governing body; what do you do when you discover that a long term hospital liaison committee elder who gives talks at all1 day assemblies, 2 day assemblies & district assemblies and is quite prominent n the victorian/nsw circuit, is addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno?
and oh, if you have print outs of his internet log ins and internet history fully detailing his log ins from his work computer???
and im not talking breach of privacy, im talking his breach of work usage of computers, of which im in charge of the it.
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Mattieu could you answer something straight for me please? Is there anything at all that gives you reason to beleve he has viewed under-age porn (ie sex or nudity involving persons below the age of consent, not 18, 19 year olds) or to beleive that he is any more of a danger to minors than any other man who views porn?
If so tell th epolice. If not stop allowing this view to go on being entertained in this thread. you have already said enough to publicly identify him.
Is he a hypocrite or a pedo?
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Moral Dilemma
by Mattieu inexcuse me so called holy spirit directed governing body; what do you do when you discover that a long term hospital liaison committee elder who gives talks at all1 day assemblies, 2 day assemblies & district assemblies and is quite prominent n the victorian/nsw circuit, is addicted to pornography, particularly under age and bestiality porno?
and oh, if you have print outs of his internet log ins and internet history fully detailing his log ins from his work computer???
and im not talking breach of privacy, im talking his breach of work usage of computers, of which im in charge of the it.
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cofty
He sounds like he is no different than thousands of other elders who abuse their power and are guilty of hypocrisy in their personal lives. I'm sorry but this is not a shock revelation and you were bang out of order to imply he was using child abuse images in your OP.
Apart from careless talk about judicial matters is he particularly harsh or abussive with the r&f? If not, I say ignore the whole thing. How much do you care that the borg has hypocritical elders? We all know that already, I couold tell you about plenty I knew when I was an elder. If you get him deleted what next, there are plenty more to fill his shoes.
If he is the sort who bullies others then I would talk to him privately and tell him he has 3 months to find personal reasons to resign from being an elder otherwise the shit hits the fan.