Posts by cofty

they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).

their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).

cofty

So, c'mon, quit stalling or I'm going to have no choice but to relegate you to the same category as those "christians" who place BLIND faith in what others tell them is true as to what they believe, even though the Bible... or evidence... doesn't state/prove it, at all. You gonna enlighten me or not? If so and you don't mind, let's start with my question(s) to dear Bohm, Cofty (peace to you both, as well!) and others, posted here: - AGuest

Shelby, that is a very vague challenge. Are you asking us to explain evolution to you in ten minutes?

I have been studying evolution and natural history in general for about 10 years. For most of my life I thought I was an expert on evolution and embarrassingly I used to debate the subject with others. When I finally began to read real science I was blown away by how amazing it was and by how many misguided views I had bought into previously. I now see you and others parroting the same creationist clichés. This fantasy about micro and macro evolution is a classic example, I know you don't use those terms but that is exactly what you are talking about.

The evidence for the common origin of all living things is so vast where would we begin? The evidence is multi-faceted and includes fields like palaeontology, geology, comaprative anatomy, biology, embryology, genetics and much, much more. I honestly believe there is no more interesting subject in the world. Personally I decided to do the work to read the sources for myself - and the opposing voices - and make my own decision. It was a long process. I could write you a list of some of the books I found most helpful if you like. Until you have a sound understanding of the basics its very difficult to have a productive dialogue with you about it. Its clear from some of your comments that you are as woefully ignorant of the subject as I was 10 years ago, and I don't mean that as an insult in any way.

If you have a very specific question then I'm sure many others like myself would be happy to address it but the only way forward is for you to commit to examining the evidence for yourself.

Perhaps you could tell me the titles of any books on the subject that you have studied so far - those written by evolutionists not creationists.

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GROAN! See, This is What Get

by AGuest in

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cofty

Dear Cofty, hun... peace to you, as well, and surely you have more important things to do than open/read/comment on mythread? Surely! Or, perhaps not...

Don't put yourself down - actually yes I got a yoghurt that will be out of date any minute now...

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PZ Myers links to exjwguy video

by cofty in

in todays pharyngula blog pz myers has linked to the latest video by exjwguy about the irony of the "new atheists" awake.

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well done exjwguy - its one of the biggest blogs on the web.

cofty

In todays Pharyngula blog PZ Myers has linked to the latest video by exjwguy about the irony of the "New Atheists" Awake.

Well done exjwguy - its one of the biggest blogs on the web

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Its Just a Theory NOT ABOUT EVOLUTION

by peacefulpete in

ok and i'm serious, please no rabid flame war allowed on this thread.

please, they are not helpful at all.

i am posting this link to an article, apparently written in all sincerity, that insists that true science supports a geocentric universe and denounces all supposed evidence for the earth turning and revolving as just "theory".

cofty

"Teach the controversy!"

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GROAN! See, This is What Get

by AGuest in

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cofty

What did who get? Is it ironic, do you mean you got nothing?

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Its Just a Theory NOT ABOUT EVOLUTION

by peacefulpete in

ok and i'm serious, please no rabid flame war allowed on this thread.

please, they are not helpful at all.

i am posting this link to an article, apparently written in all sincerity, that insists that true science supports a geocentric universe and denounces all supposed evidence for the earth turning and revolving as just "theory".

cofty

Interestingly, from our perspective, there is not one shred of evidence that can "prove" heliocentrism, except for looking up at the other planets and heavily bodies, as Galileo did, and concluding logically that geocentrism is impossible. Speaking strictly from our standpoint of observation, world class astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said "take your pick" between the two models.

Please tell me you are being ironic?

The only "proof" that mainstream science offers for heliocentrism is "stellar parallax",

How about the evidence that we can launch probes based on calcualtions of planets and distant moons millions of miles away and land precisely on target years later?

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Its Just a Theory NOT ABOUT EVOLUTION

by peacefulpete in

ok and i'm serious, please no rabid flame war allowed on this thread.

please, they are not helpful at all.

i am posting this link to an article, apparently written in all sincerity, that insists that true science supports a geocentric universe and denounces all supposed evidence for the earth turning and revolving as just "theory".

cofty

Just a tiny sample..

Psalm 92:1: “…For he hath established the world which shall not be moved.”

Psalm 95:10: “For he hath corrected the world, which shall not be moved: he will judge the people with justice.”

Psalm 103:5: “Who hast founded the earth upon its own bases: it shall not be moved for ever and ever.”

Isaias 24:18: “…for the flood-gates from on high are opened, and the foundations of the earth shall be shaken.”

Isaias 48:13: “My hand also hath founded the earth, and my right hand hath measured the heavens: I shall call them, and they shall stand together…”

So if the earth doesn't move then the sun must...

Psalm 103:19: “He hath made the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.”

Ecclesiastes 1:5: “The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again.”

Ecclesiasticus 43:4-5: “The sun three times as much, burneth the mountains, breathing out fiery vapours, and shining with his beams, he blindeth the eyes. Great is the Lord that made him, and at his words he hath hastened his course”

Ecclesiasticus 46:4: “Was not the sun stopped in his anger, and one day made as two?”

Isaias 38:7-8: “And this shall be a sign to thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this word which he hath spoken: Behold I will bring again the shadow of the lines, by which it is now gone down in the sun dial of Achaz with the sun, ten lines backward. And the sun returned ten lines by the degrees by which it was gone down.”

Habacuc 3:11: “The sun and the moon stood still in their habitation, in the light of thy arrows, they shall go in the brightness of thy glittering spear.”

Remember it is a Catholic website so they have lots of additonal books to trawl for references

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Its Just a Theory NOT ABOUT EVOLUTION

by peacefulpete in

ok and i'm serious, please no rabid flame war allowed on this thread.

please, they are not helpful at all.

i am posting this link to an article, apparently written in all sincerity, that insists that true science supports a geocentric universe and denounces all supposed evidence for the earth turning and revolving as just "theory".

cofty

This Catholic writer is very serious about his conviction

Perhaps he is but inner convictions are worth nothing when it comes to scientific questions.

He starts from a wrong premise with his defintion of "theory" and proceeds from there.

He is not prepared to consider the possibility that the bible is either wrong or needs to be understood in a different way so he is impervious to facts.

The parallels are painfully obvious.