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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  How could you possibly know what is moral if your morals are based on your own subjectivity? - Perry

  My morals are based on objective facts about reality.

  Even if you got a moral "right" you would not be able to know it because everything is constantly evolving, including morals, right?

  Wrong. Slavery and infanticide have always been wrong. Objectively wrong. Even when your god was advocating slavery, rape and infanticide it was still objectively wrong. If god existed and if he had inspired the bible these things would not be so.

  You would happily murder babies and take sex slaves just as Joshua's army did if god commanded you to do so wouldn't you? Your morality is based on divine fiat.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  It is clear that you prefer throwing around silly labels than holding a rational conversation John. Pity.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Just for clarity here are the nine simple challenges from the OP. Nine ways in which the claims of christianity just seem unlikely.

  1 - The brutal competition for survival

  2 - Mass extinctions

  3 - "Nature red in tooth and claw"

  4 - Lack of clear bible prophecy

  5 - The complete ordinariness of the bible

  6 - The moral failings of scripture

  7 - The credulity that is required to believe in miracles

  8 - An earth perfectly designed to randomly kill millions of its inhabitants

  9 - The confirmation bias that is required to believe in answered prayer

  I wonder what else we could add to this list.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  All of your answers in the last 21 pages have been pretentious piffle - Cofty

  Sorry that was unnecessarily harsh.

  What I mean is you are hiding behind esoteric theology in order to avoid very simple questions.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  If not scientific evidence so what kind of evidence do you mean?

  Just some sensible, rational observations that would help a reasonable person understand why the world does not coincide with the claims that christians make. I'm not asking for statistics or formal arguments. I've told you that many times already

  My rule of thumb is as follows - If you can't explain your argument to your aged grandmother you don't really have anything to say.

  All of your answers in the last 21 pages have been pretentious piffle.

  There are some subjective observations in your OP

  So explain why they are mistaken then.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  This is simply not true because you are always demanding scientific evidence. - J_M

  My OP does not ask for any scientific evidence at all.

  It is a series of nine simple, reasonable, testable observations. Each one of them should give somebody pause before they buy into the audacious claims of christianity.

  By the way I am trying to mostly ignore Perry when he spouts pseudoscience. IMO it's demeaning to do otherwise.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Your views have been demonstrated over and over to not be consistent, and thus illogical. -Perry

  Not on one single occasion has that happened.

  Don't allow yourself to sink to the level of becoming a liar for Jesus.

  You're a follower of Scientism, cofty. - J_M

  Not a single word of my OP depends on "scientism".
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Interesting, I thought your denial was only restricted to the fact that you are a follower of Scientism - J_M

  Throwing silly labels around is just another way of avoiding the challenges of the OP. Page 21 now.

  Perry - Another pathetic attempt to distract from the challenges of the OP.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  Still off on irrelevant philosophical tangents. The OP is about 9 simple observations. Nothing you have said since begins to address them.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty

  My OP does not require a formal argument in reply. It just invites an informal conversation. I offer 9 examples of observable things that don't easily reconcile the with the claims of Christians.

  You have hidden from inconvenient truths behind tons of incoherent and untestable assertions.

  The one paltry attempt you did make to directly address the problem was truly pathetic.