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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
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2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

Here is the basic core of the disagreement.
John M believes that faith is a virtue and requests for evidence are anathema to faith.
He dismisses all challenges to his doctrines by calling them metaphysical and therefore off limits for rational inquiry. Of course like all theists he will take any shred of evidence available.
Even if we took the ontological argument seriously and accepted John's personal vision as authentic it would not begin to answer any of the challenges of the OP.
The OP simply observes that in many ways the world doesn't actually look the way Christians pretend it does.
Proposing other lines of evidence for God doesn't meet the challenge. Attacking atheism as a worldview doesn't either.
The OP stands unanswered.
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Reasons to break free from religion
by googleTTATT in
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2. beliefs
i am compiling my list.

you can add yours if you like to.. 1. the hypocrisy in religion.. 2. religion make good people bad and bad people worse and worse people worst.. 3. the false dates given in religion.. 4. religions use their fundamental books to suit their beliefs.. 5. wrong and distorted views about sexual life.

the list goes on.
cofty

Darknight757 - I agree.
Of course we can do good things that don't involve lying to ourselves, but some religious groups still lead the way in good deeds and community activity.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

John_Mann your arrogant dismissals of my comments are unworthy of a response.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

How could you possibly know what is moral if your morals are based on your own subjectivity? - Perry
My morals are based on objective facts about reality.
Even if you got a moral "right" you would not be able to know it because everything is constantly evolving, including morals, right?
Wrong. Slavery and infanticide have always been wrong. Objectively wrong. Even when your god was advocating slavery, rape and infanticide it was still objectively wrong. If god existed and if he had inspired the bible these things would not be so.
You would happily murder babies and take sex slaves just as Joshua's army did if god commanded you to do so wouldn't you? Your morality is based on divine fiat.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

It is clear that you prefer throwing around silly labels than holding a rational conversation John. Pity.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

Just for clarity here are the nine simple challenges from the OP. Nine ways in which the claims of christianity just seem unlikely.
1 - The brutal competition for survival
2 - Mass extinctions
3 - "Nature red in tooth and claw"
4 - Lack of clear bible prophecy
5 - The complete ordinariness of the bible
6 - The moral failings of scripture
7 - The credulity that is required to believe in miracles
8 - An earth perfectly designed to randomly kill millions of its inhabitants
9 - The confirmation bias that is required to believe in answered prayer
I wonder what else we could add to this list.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

All of your answers in the last 21 pages have been pretentious piffle - Cofty
Sorry that was unnecessarily harsh.
What I mean is you are hiding behind esoteric theology in order to avoid very simple questions.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

If not scientific evidence so what kind of evidence do you mean?
Just some sensible, rational observations that would help a reasonable person understand why the world does not coincide with the claims that christians make. I'm not asking for statistics or formal arguments. I've told you that many times already
My rule of thumb is as follows - If you can't explain your argument to your aged grandmother you don't really have anything to say.
All of your answers in the last 21 pages have been pretentious piffle.
There are some subjective observations in your OP
So explain why they are mistaken then.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

This is simply not true because you are always demanding scientific evidence. - J_M
My OP does not ask for any scientific evidence at all.
It is a series of nine simple, reasonable, testable observations. Each one of them should give somebody pause before they buy into the audacious claims of christianity.
By the way I am trying to mostly ignore Perry when he spouts pseudoscience. IMO it's demeaning to do otherwise.
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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe
by cofty in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.
cofty

Your views have been demonstrated over and over to not be consistent, and thus illogical. -Perry
Not on one single occasion has that happened.
Don't allow yourself to sink to the level of becoming a liar for Jesus.
You're a follower of Scientism, cofty. - J_M
Not a single word of my OP depends on "scientism".