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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  In relation to DNA "information" is nothing but a metaphor.
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  Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

  by towerwatchman in

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  mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

  morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

  using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

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  Here are another couple of reviews of Denton's nonsense.

  Talk Origins...

  2Think...
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fishy...

  Lev.17: 13 & 14 state very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

  Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

  Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Acts 15

  The background to this text was a dispute that threatened the unity of the early church. The first christians did not initially abandon Judaism to form a new religion. The separation was gradual as they were thrown out of the synagogues for preaching Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

  As the good news spread to gentiles a disagreement arose about whether these new christians should be required to get circumcised and keep the Law. A council was arranged at Jerusalem to settle the matter. Their decision appealed to a provision of the Law that satisfied both parties. In ancient Israel it was not necessary for a foreigner to adopt Judaism by becoming a proselyte. They could live at peace with their Jewish hosts as long as they observed a few necessary laws.

  Leviticus mentions the need for foreigners to adhere to a few basic requirements of the Law such as avoiding idolatry, fornication and the misuse of blood. This is the formula adopted by the Jerusalem council. They decide not to burden gentile christians beyond the need to observe these "necessary things".

  This then was not a new set of laws invented for christians, it was an instruction to adhere to those minimum requirements of the Mosaic Law that were incumbent on alien residents in Israel, "For in every city, for generations past, Moses has had those who proclaim him, for he has been read aloud every sabbath in the synagogues.” - Acts.15:21

  The instruction to abstain from blood is the same law that required a foreigner in Israel to bleed an animal killed for food but permitted him to eat an unbled animal found already dead.
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  One being sacred and the other not so sacred according to cofty

  Not according to me - according to Lev.17

  Verse 13 & 14 states very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

  Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have a bath and change clothes.

  Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman are you actually an apostate fighting a 13 year black-flag campaign?

  If so you are doing a heroic job of making the Watchtower look foolish.
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  Ayaan Hirsi Ali On London Attacks

  by Bangalore in

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  ayaan hirsi ali on london attacks.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pll75ohh6jc&feature=youtu.be.

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  A genuine heroine.
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Your commentary has zero value towards the topic being discussed on this thread. - Fishy

  I doubt if I have ever attempted to hold a conversation with somebody less capable of following an argument.

  Lev.17:15 and Deut.14:21 appear to be a contradiction. I have explained how they can reconciled. You now have the same burden.

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  Here is the question you have ignored many times. Until you answer it you have nothing interesting to say.
  

  Lev.17: 13 & 14 state very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

  Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

  Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  I think our JW apologist has finally hit bedrock.

  Why would anyone sacrifice the life of their loved ones on the basis of this sort of muddled dogma?
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  When I discussed this with a JW at a cart in Edinburgh last weekend it was difficult to get him to focus on the old testament background. As soon as he saw the looming problem with Lev.17 he only wanted to talk about Acts 15

  Eventually he agreed to give me exactly two minutes to explain the background to acts15 which I duly did.

  I'm wrestling with the best way to get into this subject with a JW.

  I think I will post my thoughts on Acts 15 here later today.

  Any thoughts on the best way to approach this with a cart JW the would be welcome.