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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

how vs why One distinction about the blood from an animal found dead is that it could not be poured out. Another distinction is that if an Israelite ate a dead unbled carcass he became ceremonially unclean by doing so. - Fishy

Yes that is correct. When an animal has died its blood cannot be poured out. Therefore if you eat it you are also going to eat its blood. Amazingly the person who did this did not get cut off. Why not?

He became unclean - so what? Doing stuff that made you unclean was not a sin or a crime. Having sex with your wife made you ceremonially unclean, touching a dead animal made you unclean. Lots of things did.

But all of the law needs to be considered not just the verses that you like with your explanations about them.

I have thoroughly considered every single one of them in this thread as you are well aware.

30 “‘But the person who does something deliberately, whether he is native-born or a foreign resident, is blaspheming Jehovah and must be cut off from among his people.

Eating an unbled animal found dead was not a sin so this verse has no relevance.

21 “You must not eat any animal that was found dead. You may give it to the foreign resident who is inside your cities, and he may eat it, or it may be sold to a foreigner. For you are a holy people to Jehovah your God.

I discussed this verse at length. You ignored my answer and now you pretend I haven't answered it. This is why I call you a coward and a liar.

31 “You should prove yourselves holy people to me, and you must not eat the flesh of anything in the field that has been torn by a wild animal. You should throw it to the dogs.

This verse is about an animal torn by wild beasts. It was bled. It has no relevance to our conversation.

You have not shown that blood is not sacred to God. You have only shown in your argument that blood from a creature that is not slaughtered for food should not be -based on your argument.

I have never attempted to show that blood is not sacred to god. I have consistently said the exact opposite.

Now my two questions...

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

Again, you conclude in your argument that blood is not sacred to God. - Fishy

I have consistently said the exact opposite throughout this thread. Blood is sacred to god and anybody who broke god's law on blood was to be cut off.

Your argument does not show that. Lev 17 shows that an animal slaughtered for food must be drained of its blood before it can be eaten.

This is gibberish. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Do you? Just to be clear an animal killed for food had to be bled otherwise the culprit was to be cut off.

It also shows that if an unbled animal is eaten by an Israelite, he is required to bathe ceremonially.

Yes I have said this hundreds of times. If an animal was found dead and eaten unbled there was no punishment. The person had to relax in a nice warm bath and put on a clean robe. Lamb cutlets, hot bath, clean clothes = luxury.

Nothing is said about blood not being sacred to God. You conclude that in you argument.

Blood is not even mentioned in Lev.17:15 It is all about ceremonial cleanness not blood

It does not say that you can take any sort of blood and eat it or do anything with it.

Of course it doesn't. I have said that repeatedly. It DOES say that if you ate the unbled carcass of an animal found already dead there was no punishment.

You confuse your conclusions from what you read in Bible from what the text says.

No I have consistently made a clear distinction and stuck rigidly to the word of scripture.

You do that in every thread even as the venetator of theory of evolution that you worship- but that is another topic.

What is a venetator?

Your reconciliaton of scriptures and all the other trash that you post is only your opinion and nothing more.

Every single word is solidly based on a simple reading of the text with respect for the context.

Now - my two questions.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

From my OP....

1. Blood was sacred under The Law.

2. Blood represents life.

3. It was a capital offense to use blood for any purpose other than to offer it as a sacrifice on the altar.

4. All of the restrictions about blood are just as binding on Christians as they were on OT Jews.

I have conceded all of the above for the sake of discussion.

My two questions remain.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

2 hours later - So I was correct. Not even an attempt at answering either of the two questions.

You are a coward and a liar.

Question 1
Lev.17: 13 & 14 state very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?

Question 2.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. - Lev.17:11

According to this verse an Israelite farmer could have brought gallons of blood drained from live animals to the altar to atone for his sins.

Do you agree or not Fishy?

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

Fisherman - I say you are a liar and a coward.

I am off out for a couple of hours. Maybe by the time I get back you will have proven me wrong.

Just in case you are unclear here are the questions you have never attempted to answer.

Question 1
Lev.17: 13 & 14 state very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?

Question 2.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. - Lev.17:11

According to this verse an Israelite farmer could have brought gallons of blood drained from live animals to the altar to atone for his sins.

Do you agree or not Fishy?

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

cofty

Having read lots of your copy-paste it is blindingly obvious your knowledge of evolution is nil.

You don't even understand the anti-evolution bullshit you are pasting.

You have never read a single book that presents the evidence for evolution in your entire life have you?

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

So prove me wrong with a quick link or copy-paste of your previous answers and I will publicly apologise to you.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

We both know you are lying. Every single person reading this thread knows you are lying.

Prove me wrong about that by copy-pasting the answers you gave earlier.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

cofty

the subject matter is the origin of biological information

Information is simply a metaphor in biology.

Comparative DNA proves beyond all possible doubt that every living thing evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

cofty

Fishy - You have made absolutely no effort to answer those two questions. Not one single word.

I appreciate you are embarrassed because you have no answer to them but do not resort to lying. If I remember correctly Jehovah hates lying.

All you have done so far is to repeat the first question in various forms - pretending not to understand the question, and you have never responded in any way to the second question.

I am going to keep posting them until you answer or concede you have no answer.

Question 1
Lev.17: 13 & 14 state very clearly that he who hunts an animal for food and does not bleed it will be "cut off".

Verse 15 says that he who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

Why is there a difference if the blood is sacred in the way JWs believe it to be?

Question 2.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. - Lev.17:11

According to this verse an Israelite farmer could have brought gallons of blood drained from live animals to the altar to atone for his sins.

Do you agree or not Fishy?