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  If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

  by venus in

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  many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

  in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

  it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

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  cofty

  jw's and Mormon's make more atheist than any other groups combined

  It may be true. Unlike 99% of 'people of faith' many JWs and Mormons had to fearlessly apply facts and reason in order to escape a controlling cult. If they go on to apply those same critical thinking skills to all the claims of theism it will lead to atheism.

  The vast majority of believers have never faced up to the failings of their religion because it doesn't demand much from them.

  Of course many ex-JWs lose their nerve and stop at some sort of alternative faith system.
  
  
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  If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

  in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

  it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

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  cofty

  This conversation is utterly pointless until Venus - yet another dishonest evangelist for the Brahma Kumaris cult - defines exactly what she/he means by "god".

  The word "god" is utterly meaningless. As soon as a believer describes their god it is child's-play to prove it does not exist.
  

  Please don't play silly games with a dishonest evangelist for a life-destroying eastern apocalyptic cult.

  Brahma Kumaris World Deception Organisation
  

  Brahma Kumaris listed as dangerous cult.

  Brahma Kumaris Cult Exposed

  WHAT THE BRAHMA KUMARIS DON’T WANT THE UNITED NATIONS TO KNOW:

  Brahma Kumaris In a Nutshell
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  Bible is good if we look for implied truth

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

  but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

  similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

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  cofty

  Brahma Kumaris World Deception Organisation
  

  Brahma Kumaris listed as dangerous cult.

  Brahma Kumaris Cult Exposed

  WHAT THE BRAHMA KUMARIS DON’T WANT THE UNITED NATIONS TO KNOW:

  Brahma Kumaris In a Nutshell

  Please fuck off
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  Bible is good if we look for implied truth

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

  but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

  similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

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  cofty

  Venus you are just the latest in a long list of BK cult proselytizers who have pestered the forum in recent years.

  They all lie about their membership of the cult, I have PMs from one of your forebears apologising for the behavior of some of his colleagues.

  Your cult is evil and dehumanizing.

  Please fuck off.
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  God is not the creator

  by venus in

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  every theory (including darwin’s) primarily proves someone has to design a theory; every product primarily proves someone has to design it.

  when neil armstrong and buzz aldrin landed on the moon it primarily proved intelligence of many people had to design that moon-mission.. 1) if every machine primarily proves someone designed it, then a much more complex, wonderful, and living machine with reproductive feature would mean the same: someone with corresponding ability, of higher energy, designed it because effect explains the cause just like harvest explains the sowing (whether you saw sowing or not).

  science shows human body is like a complex machinery with many departments/systems (such as respiratory, digestive, cardiovascular/circulatory, renal/urinary, endocrine, nervous, musculoskeletal, integumentary/exocrine, lymphatic/immune, reproductive etc.

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  cofty

  Brahma Kumaris World Deception Organisation
  

  Brahma Kumaris listed as dangerous cult.

  Brahma Kumaris Cult Exposed

  WHAT THE BRAHMA KUMARIS DON’T WANT THE UNITED NATIONS TO KNOW:

  Brahma Kumaris In a Nutshell
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  Bible is good if we look for implied truth

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

  but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

  similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

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  cofty

  • Brahma Kumaris World Deception Organisation
    

    Brahma Kumaris listed as dangerous cult.

    Brahma Kumaris Cult Exposed

    WHAT THE BRAHMA KUMARIS DON’T WANT THE UNITED NATIONS TO KNOW:

    Brahma Kumaris In a Nutshell
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  cofty

  What is it like to be a crystal?

  That is like asking what colour is love?

  It's "not even wrong".
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  cofty

  Galen Stawson, an academic philosopher

  Which tells us all we need to know about the state of "academic philosophy".

  it's difficult to prove

  Its equally difficult to prove we are not Thetans.

  I still have no problem dismissing both propositions as idiotic.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  cofty

  As I thought, a distinction without a difference.

  Why not make the opposite assumption: that things have awareness unless it's proved that they don't?

  Why not make the assumption that consciousness depends on Thetans who inhabit our bodies which are just the latest in a line of millions of incarnations?

  They are equally outrageous, ridiculous and far-fetched assertions and the burden of proof is ALL on the person making them. It is perfectly sensible to hold all such assertions in contempt.

  Your lack of reason and your logical fallacies in this thread are astonishing. I thought you hit bedrock with your claim that the perspective of a worm on the shape of the planet was as valid as that of an astronaut. I was wrong. We have plumbed new depths.
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  Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

  this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

  what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

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  cofty

  Still hoping for a distinction between awareness and consciousness.

  I suspect it's a distinction without a difference and that it's just too embarrassing to assert that rocks have consciousness.