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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  sure you know better than wikipedia lol

  Apparently I do in this instance. Nobody who wants to have a conversation about evolution talks about 'Darwinism'. If he was alive today he would not recognise very much of his own theory.

  The origin of human thought, for instance.

  What do you mean by 'human thought' exactly?

  The development of very early life, for instance.

  The fact of evolution is not dependant on abiogenesis. Having said that a great deal of progress is being made in discovering how geochemistry became biochemistry. Some of the most promising research is in the field of bioenergetics. I have described it elsewhere many times.
  

  The evolution of flowers, for instance.

  What about the evolution of flowers? A lot of stuff has been discovered about the evolution of angiosperms. What is your point? Just because a huge amount of detail remains to be discovered doesn't mean the fact of evolution is in doubt. What is your point?

  See, when you just read a bunch of popular book about evolution everything looks very simple. When you look beneath the surface it is more complicated

  When you read popular science nothing looks simple at all. Reading a lot about a subject is the best way to grasp how much there still is to learn. When you don't read anything then things seem simplistic.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  the problem is ppl who believe in darwinism fail to acknowledge darwinism is many things

  Darwinism doesn't exist.

  some are proven beyond all reasonable doubt, other things are very speculative

  For example?

  The simple fact that every living thing evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years is a certain as the fact that the earth is not flat.
  
  

  SOMETIMES ppl who do not believe in evolution cite scientists with real degrees like BEHE?

  Of course they do. Why are you telling me that? I never said otherwise. I refute Behe's bullshit on this forum regularly.

  man you got some elder in you..

  Pathetic.
  
  
  
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
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  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  cofty

  What a strange old sailor you are.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  hot - Don't correct posts after it has been commented on.

  Your point is irrelevant.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  We are not yet in possession of all relevant "facts" to prove either "theory.

  We passed the point many years ago when biological evolution was proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

  Creationism isn't a 'theory' it's a myth.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  actually Meyers has a phd in biology..

  No he doesn't and he is called Meyer. He has a Ph.D. in the history and philosophy of science.

  Behe has a Ph.D in biochemistry but I never said otherwise.
  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  Old Navy - gibberish masquerading as profundity.

  You inspired me to post a whole new thread in your honour...
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  How to Argue for Creationism

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

  a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

  creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

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  cofty

  All creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.

  First a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.

  Now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.

  1. Identify some complex feature of the natural world. A quick Google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration. Creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.
  2. Do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature. Ignore any possible fossil evidence, comparative anatomy or phylogenetic studies that shed light on the subject.
  3. Declare that this feature could not possibly arise by naturalistic means.
  4. Make reference to 'blind chance' and compare this to some human artifact - a watch, 747 aeroplane, house, computer - almost anything will do.
  5. Boldly assert that evolution has no answer to this challenge.
  6. Try to throw in the name of some PhD with a Doctorate in history or philosophy who agrees with you.
  7. Conflate evolution with atheism ignoring the fact that most intelligent christians accept the fact of evolution and many atheists know absolutely nothing about it.
  8. Finish with some ad hominem comments that call into question the motives/morality of 'evolutionists'.
  9. Completely ignore all factual answers that are posted in response to your argument.

  You're welcome.
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  Jesus fulfilling old testament prophecies like his legs not being broken

  by Isambard Crater in

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  what are everyone's thoughts on this, how his legs weren't broken, he was pierced with a spear and he wore a thorny crown?.

  i'm pimo and very much not wanting to believe, but like the daniel statue prophecies, these ones about jesus stick in my mind and give me "hmmm, maybe" moments..

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  cofty

  Mylaine - there is no such thing as sin.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  cofty

  All creationist objections take a similar form...

  1. Identify some complex feature of the natural world. A quick Google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration. Creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.
  2. Do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature. Ignore any possible fossil evidence, comparative anatomy or phylogenetic studies that shed light on the subject.
  3. Declare that this feature could not possibly arise by naturalistic means.
  4. Make reference to 'blind chance' and compare this to some human artifact - a watch, 747 aeroplane, house, computer - almost anything will do.
  5. Boldly assert that evolution has no answer to this challenge.
  6. Try to throw in the name of some PhD with a Doctorate in history or philosophy who agrees with you.
  7. Conflate evolution with atheism ignoring the fact that most intelligent christians accept the fact of evolution and many atheists know absolutely nothing about it.
  8. Ignore the factual answers that follow.

  It all amounts to an argument from ignorance and/or personal incredulity.