Posts by cofty

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

Three interesting posts jukief.

Even the majority of atheists are quick to agree to the statement that 'we can't prove god doesn't exist'. I disagree.

If we define god as the 'god and father of Jesus', and 'prove' in the everyday sense of 'show with objective evidence to be true beyond reasonable doubt', then I am convinced we can prove god does not exist.

The key is not evil in general but 'natural evil' over which humans have no control.

This diversion to your thread is a spin-off from this epic thread...

There is a summary of the topic here...

and a summary of the 8 main arguments that emerged here....

Perhaps I should add the 'Rohypnol defense' and the 'four-sided triangle defense' to the list!

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More head-in-the-sand nonsense of the worst possible kind ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

whenever a hollywood actress has been propositioned or touched up, we know all about it.. but a story - mostly suppressed by the mainstream media - is emerging of far worse abuse of human females.. telford appears to have a grooming/sex abuse scandal of its own to rival the ones in rochdale, oxford and other uk towns.. it appears the msm, police and politicians and other authorities are very slow in learning their lesson from rochdale.. unbelievable that this case hasn't made the guardian or the bbc.. i guess the sisterhood thinks hollywood women are much more important than telford girls.

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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/the-bbcs-shameful-silence-on-the-telford-sex-scandal/.

cofty

We could highlight their religion

We should highlight their religion. It is the crucial factor.

It is their religion that teaches them to hold non-Muslim girls in contempt and it was the political correctness of social workers and police that allowed them to get away with it for years. I suspect a similar situation exists in every city with a significant Muslim community. Newcastle-upon-Tyne is one recent example.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

The problem is being framed unreasonably.

I'm challenging the existence of the god of xtian theism - the god who is love - defined as positive actions in the interests of others, as taught and demonstrated by Jesus and NT writers. I am not arguing against the god of deism or subtle versions of that deity.

If there was any positive evidence that the god of Jesus existed, but we were faced with the problem of natural evil, then we might propose increasingly unlikely ways to resolve the dilemma.

We might even end up resorting to desperate arguments such as the 'Rohypnol defense' (god might cause unimaginable suffering but later make it so victims don't remember it) or even the 'four-sided triangle defense' (god might cause unimaginable suffering but later erase history and make a new one where nobody suffered) - if there is a meaningful distinction between these two it is too subtle to matter.

But unless compelling evidence of this god's existence exists there is no need to sink to such depths of absurdity.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

If it was anyone else I would assume that you were just trolling but based on your posting history I'm sure that you are serious.

It is identical to proposing that God can make a four-sided triangle.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

A quarter of a million people did die and the lives of millions more were destroyed. That suffering was real. Pretending God can make it unhappen is absurd. If you are actually just trying to make Christian apologetics sound ridiculous then well played.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

If God is outside time then maybe he can just as easily stop something yesterday as he can today or tomorrow

Pain and suffering happens to humans in real time. Are you really going to persist with the Rohypnol defense?

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

Which I could have said if you asked me

I challenged you about this callous statement at least half a dozen times. Don't pretend you haven't had ample opportunity to set the record straight. What you meant is very clear from the original context.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

maybe our suffering does not matter as much to God as it does to us.

Then you have changed the topic. I am talking about the god of xtian theism the god and father of Jesus.

This god is love. Love means what we do to promote the well being of others.

I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous... Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. - Matt.5

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Matt.6

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. - Luke 6

Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. - Luke 12

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. - Jas.1

"Love ... always protects" - 1 Cor.13

'If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.' - 1 John 3

You are defending a strange god of your own invention.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

SBF - I accused you of being callous for the following..

'My own suspicion, no doubt very unpopular, is that we humans take ourselves too seriously when we think our suffereing matters very much.'

I accused you of being a liar for accusing me of distortions for reminding you that you said that. I provided you with a link to prove that you actually did say that.

This is without a doubt the most callous thing I have read on this forum.

Maybe God can keep the good that has happened while removing the bad.

This makes god the moral equivalent of a rapist who drugs his victim with Rohypnol so that they won't remember their trauma.

You have hit the bedrock of absurdity.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

cofty

It's ironic that this thread started with an interesting point about dishonest selective quotations.