Posts by cofty

77

Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

cofty

Freedom Rocks - Yes I have investigated creationism in all its forms. To be fair there isn't much to study. Every argument can be distilled down to - 'complexity; therefore god'.

The most recent development is so-called 'Intelligent Design' movement, fronted by The Discovery Institute. If you want to know more about it let me know.

I have asked dozens of creationists the same question - 'What books that present the scientific evidence for evolution have you studied?' So far not one single positive response.

291

Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

cofty

FFS really Rattigan?

Does your random questions have anything to do with this thread?

I'm busy decorating but I will respond later.

The odds of obtaining even one of these by chance is 2.0 x 10 -44 - Hooby

The answer to your question is that natural selection is NOT random. But we have covered that many many times.

You are still ignoring the point of the thread which is proof of the common ancestry of all living things.

77

Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

cofty

Creationists have lost the argument regarding biological evolution so they muddy the waters by conflating evolution, abiogenesis and cosmic origins.

Evolution is a fact. Get over it.

10

Is Satan real and all this powerful?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

wikipedia article on jehovah's witnesses:satanjehovah's witnesses believe that satan was originally a perfect angel who developed feelings of self-importance and craved worship.

satan influenced adam and eve to disobey god, and humanity subsequently became participants in a challenge involving the competing claims of jehovah and satan to universal sovereignty.

other angels who sided with satan became demons.jehovah's witnesses teach that satan and his demons were cast down to earth from heaven after october 1, 1914, at which point the end times began.

cofty

Can God control Satan?

If not then he isn't God.

If so then he is an accomplice.

8

Pope Francis condemns child sex abuse and Church cover-ups

by pleaseresearch in

this is good from the pope and really puts a lot of shame on our gb.

i could never see them doing this.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45249109.

pope francis has condemned the "atrocities" of child sex abuse and clerical cover-ups in a letter to the world's 1.2bn roman catholics.. the letter to "the people of god" calls for an end to the "culture of death" in the church, addresses failures to deal with abuse and asks for forgiveness.. last week a grand jury report detailed seven decades of abuse in pennsylvania.. the landmark investigation found more than 1,000 identifiable minors had been abused by 300 priests in the us state.. thousands more are thought to have fallen victim.

cofty

Empty words from the Pope. The Roman Catholic Church is rotten to the core. Not one single word from the Pope about what he is going to do about his pedophile Bishops and Priests. He has a long history of protecting abusers.

'Whereas transparency is typically advised, the church remains quiet about its investigations and disciplinary procedures. It does not release any data on the inquiries it has carried out. A proposed tribunal for judging bishops accused of negligence or coverup was quashed by the Vatican department that was supposed to help implement it. And, rather than being fired and publicly admonished, offending church leaders are typically allowed to resign without explanation...'

31

Evolution is a Fact #5 - Vitamin C

by cofty in

part 1 - protein functional redundancypart 2 - dna functional redundancypart 3 - ervspart 4 - smelly genes.

in part 4 we saw that roughly half of the 800 genes in the human genome that code for olfactory receptors are broken remnants of our evolutionary history.

they were vital to our distant ancestors but in humans, as in our primate cousins they have been allowed to fall into disuse as our eyes became more important to our survival than our nose.

cofty

Wouldn't a jw just rationalise this somehow as the gene was broken when eve and Adam sinned and it's part of our inherited imperfection?

That wouldn't work as the same gene is broken in exactly the same way in our nearest evolutionary relatives. Clearly the mutation happened in a common ancestor of humans and other primates. Look at the picture in the OP.

Imagine you are a teacher correcting the homework of a group of students. If they all wrote that the Battle of Hastings happened in 1066 that would only suggest they all properly read the same textbook. There is only one way to get the answer right but there are an infinite number of ways to get it wrong. If 3 pupils all said that the answer was 1977 then you would have very strong evidence of copying. If you found many such identical errors in the same 3 papers you have proof.

The broken vitamin C gene is that sort of evidence.

12

New JW.org Logo

by Not_Culty in

.

cofty

Excellent!

77

Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

cofty

edited

Scruffy - Evolution is the most fascinating topic you could commit to learn about. It is the foundation of everything we know about life on earth.

Check out the links and let me know if you have questions.

77

Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

cofty

Hi Scruffy.

1 - We didn't evolve from monkeys. That is not evolution

2 - Every living thing from humans to oak trees to bacteria evolved from a common ancestor by unguided evolution over million of years.

3 - There was no 'explosion'. The Big Bang was a rapid expansion of the universe. It has nothing to do with biological evolution.

4 - The origin of life is the subject of the scientific field of abiogenesis. The most promising ideas at the moment focus on bioenergetics. Life may have arisen in deep-sea Alkaline vents.

5 - The 'theory' of evolution is proven beyond all reasonable doubt. A theory in science does NOT mean the same thing as a hypothesis. Theories are the ultimate standard in science. They explain a whole collection of facts and observations.

6 - Opinions are worthless. The fact of evolution is about evidence.

You would benefit from reading some science textbooks on the basics of evolution.

Here are some threads that present some of the evidence...

77

Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

cofty

But evolution seems silly to me too - scruff

Why?