story in the guardian: .
"--freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the european convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, hale added.
“this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,” she said.--".
the argument as presented in Court was weakened by claiming that the baker him/herself was making a personal expression on the cake, he/she was not - Phizzy
If that argument was made in the original case than I agree, it is a weak point. The lawyer got that badly wrong. The ruling of the Supreme Court did not base their verdict on that.
can we rely solely on christ and his sacrifice for our sins to be forgiven, or do we have to attribute our own works upon his finished work?
this video gives an explanation of the sacrifices made for israel under the law and what it meant at that time, and the sacrifice which christ made for ourselves under the age of grace today.
According to Paul, there is only one gospel for all of mankind...and that gospel is Christ's gospel - Vander
We can agree that Paul claimed to be preaching the same gospel as Jesus, but that doesn't make it so. Compare the words of Jesus with the letter to the Romans.
Just like you hate to hear about God and would want to live in a place where nobody will talk about God - Brazil
If I hate talking about god why am I talking about god? I enjoy talking about god and the reasons why people believe in him.
can we rely solely on christ and his sacrifice for our sins to be forgiven, or do we have to attribute our own works upon his finished work?
this video gives an explanation of the sacrifices made for israel under the law and what it meant at that time, and the sacrifice which christ made for ourselves under the age of grace today.
Hell is closed from inside
What sort of sophistry is this?
Why do xtians talk in riddles and platitudes?
can we rely solely on christ and his sacrifice for our sins to be forgiven, or do we have to attribute our own works upon his finished work?
this video gives an explanation of the sacrifices made for israel under the law and what it meant at that time, and the sacrifice which christ made for ourselves under the age of grace today.
TGND - I agree.
It is often wrongly said on this forum that Jesus rejected the Law, or broke it at will, in the interests of a greater good. Nothing could be further from the facts. Jesus told his disciples to keep the Law — not ONLY the letter of the Law but also the spirit of the Law.
Paul taught that humans were intrinsically evil and their only hope was forgiveness through faith in Jesus' sacrificial death. Calvin's 'TULIP' (to be more accurate Calvin's disciples' TULIP) is a fair summary of Paul's gospel. It is far from the teachings of the Jesus of the gospels.
can we rely solely on christ and his sacrifice for our sins to be forgiven, or do we have to attribute our own works upon his finished work?
this video gives an explanation of the sacrifices made for israel under the law and what it meant at that time, and the sacrifice which christ made for ourselves under the age of grace today.
That is certainly Calvin's gospel, but not Christ's.
It was Paul's gospel was it not?
story in the guardian: .
"--freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the european convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, hale added.
“this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,” she said.--".
But the baker didn't refuse to make the cake because the customer was gay.
If the customer had walked into the shop holding hands with his husband and ordered a dozen croissants the baker would have served him — and been legally compelled to do so.
You cannot legally refuse to serve somebody because of who they are or because you disagree with their lifestyle. You can refuse to make a product that promotes something that offends your conscience.
The distinction is simple and very important.
story in the guardian: .
"--freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the european convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, hale added.
“this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,” she said.--".
I don't follow. Where is the hypocrisy?
story in the guardian: .
"--freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the european convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, hale added.
“this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,” she said.--".
blondie - No they can't. Neither can they refuse work from gay people.
However they can refuse to make cakes with messages promoting adultery, fornication, murder, rape and gay marriage.
can we rely solely on christ and his sacrifice for our sins to be forgiven, or do we have to attribute our own works upon his finished work?
this video gives an explanation of the sacrifices made for israel under the law and what it meant at that time, and the sacrifice which christ made for ourselves under the age of grace today.
To the four people who disliked my post — and JWA in particular.
Please could you engage in a conversation? Tell me why you disagree. Am I wrong to say that the xtian gospel begins with an assertion about the depravity of man? Will Jesus punish those who disagree? Is it wrong to summarise the xtian message as, 'love me or else'?
This is supposed to be a discussion forum. When did xtians become so shy?
story in the guardian: .
"--freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the european convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, hale added.
“this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,” she said.--".
Phizzy - I am interested in your answers to these questions...
ETA - I don't think the link is working but it's my post three above yours ^^^
