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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

How does being a JW or born again Christian make your biblical knowledge better? - TPWSYF

It doesn't obviously. The vast majority of evangelicals and catholics have very little knowledge of the bible. Niknak told me I needed to read the bible AND ask god to reveal himself. I told him that my bible knowledge was excellent AND that I used to be a christian.

that's why your faiths have no fruits - TPWSYF

The fruits of the Catholic church have been pretty disgraceful. If it had put as much effort into helping others as it puts into protecting pedophiles it would be impressive.

You never did reply to my explanation of the Trinity. - TPWSYF

Yes you're right I never did. There was nothing to reply to as you didn't explain anything. You just offered a couple of metaphors about the personification of god's word and actions.

You still haven't explained the trinity.

The existence of the original manuscripts coupled with ancient artifacts that mention people in the bible as true historical figures - Tenacious

Baker Street really exists. Sherlock Holmes doesn't.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

Are you asking to know or asking to just mock? - Niknak

I haven't said anything even remotely mocking in tone. This is a religious discussion forum. I'm discussing religious belief.

Faith in God is Saying what you want, Knowing what you need and knowing that God can and will provide it for you in the perfect time.

That makes god sound like a cosmic vending machine.

If he provides all his children's needs in perfect time why does he frequently leave them to die in pointless natural disasters?

All the events in the Bible have been historically proven

But that really isn't so. Just for two examples there was no Adam and Eve. Humans evolved over millions of years from common ancestors of non-human animals. There was no global flood. These things are beyond sensible debate.

If you want to know more. Study it. Meditate on it and pray to Him. Ask Him to reveal Himself.

It's possible that my bible knowledge is as good as yours if not better. I was a born-again christian for about 9 years after I left the cult.

I know and accept that the Bible is God's word and it will and does speak for itself.

But you don't 'know' that the bible is god's word. You accept that despite an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. Evidence that you seem to be unaware of.

we need to tread lightly so that we are not guilty of causing someone to stumble

We have nothing to fear from sharing facts and exchanging ideas. If somebody's beliefs are so fragile then they really need to be held up to scrutiny.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

I don't know why innocent babies are killed ... I do know God is good. - Iriddle80

Is this an example of cognitive dissonance?

And I apologise if I have offended anyone!

Never apologise for expressing yourself honestly.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

You have to walk by faith and not by sight. - Niknak

Niknak how is that different from wishful thinking?

Every religion and cult depends on faith rather than facts. All of them can cite amazing experiences and feelings. Are they all true?

God is only hidden to those who are hard hearted

Is 'hard-hearted' what you call people who respectfully ask for objective evidence?

I heard His voice

Is that a metaphor? If not what accent does god have?

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Is there anything that can open a JWs whos dyed in the wools mind

by rockemsockem in

6 years ago

we all know that jw who would still believe if tony morris killed a baby on the roof of wallkill and put it on the internet.

for those people will there come a time when they will see or do you think someone so deep in a cult will never come to realize its all a lie.

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

I think they will continue to suppress doubts until something happens that causes them to feel personally hurt.

Often that is the moment when we allow ourselves to entertain negative thoughts.

Subtle efforts to feed doubts in advance can pay off eventually.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

Cofty, I guess the first thing I would challenge is that any life is "innocent" because there is original sin - Iriddle80

What did a baby do to be deserving of suffering?

Try to avoid parroting dogma and tell me what you really think?

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

I don't see any insults in my post, don't be so precious.

Faith and evidence are diametrically opposed.

'Eucharistic miracles' are risible.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

I have no respect for faith that pretends to be based on scientific evidence.

Don't insult us with fairy stories about 'eucharistic miracles' just have the balls to say you believe despite all the evidence against the dogma because it makes you happy to do so. I could respect that.

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U.K. Judge rules five year old JW (not baptized) can get blood transfusion

by Tenacious in

6 years ago

girl, 5, from jehovah's witness family can have blood transfusion, judge says.

by michael black.

a high court judge has ruled that doctors can give a sick five-year-old girl from a jehovah’s witness family a blood transfusion.. the little girl’s parents said their religious beliefs would not allow them to consent to a blood transfusion.. but they said they would not object to a judge making the decision.. mr justice hayden was told that the little girl was in a “grave” situation and could die or suffer a stroke if she did not have a transfusion.. the judge analysed evidence at a public hearing in the family division of the high court (pictured) in london on wednesday after hospital bosses asked him to make a decision as a matter of urgency.. he said bosses at the leeds teaching hospitals nhs trust had responsibility for the girl’s care and had made the application.. he said the girl was being treated at leeds children’s hospital.. the judge heard evidence via a telephone link to the hospital.. a specialist told mr justice hayden that the little girl was suffering from sickle cell disease, an inherited blood disorder, and that her condition had deteriorated.. .

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

I suspect most JW parents in this situation are very happy for the court to take over. Actually I suspect the GB are secretly relieved too.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

6 years ago

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

6 years ago

cofty 6 years ago

Niknak - If god wants a personal relationship with all of us like a loving father how do you explain the hiddenness of god?

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