Posts by cofty

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Are Witnesses advised not to get into discussion’s about evolution with HH?

by Diogenesister in

just before the last memorial, i finally had a witness call with an invite ( i say finally because i haven’t seen anyone in the d 2 d preaching work for going on 5 years!)..

i wasn’t particularly prepared ( it being early and me still in my nightie!

) but i managed to collect myself and said i didn’t think i wanted to go since i discovered the scandal around the un.....and i outlined the facts.. jw: oh no i don’t think so, where on earth did you read that?.

cofty

I agree with vidiot it is impossible the wt will ever accept the fact of evolution.

Their weird interpretation of the meaning of Jesus' death makes a literal Adam and Eve essential.

Being a JW will always demand intellectual suicide.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

It's always fascinating to watch Christians take refuge in dogma, platitudes and personal abuse.

I remember a time when I also had to hide from reality in order to protect faith.

the Shroud of Turin also confirms Christ's blood type as AB - TPopeWSYF

That's hilarious!

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

Saying that Jesus is like the hand of god and the holy spirit is like the personification of his love doesn't even begin to answer my simple challenge.

Insulting your interlocutor might suggest you are aware that you have nothing except hand-waving and personal attacks

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

How does being a JW or born again Christian make your biblical knowledge better? - TPWSYF

It doesn't obviously. The vast majority of evangelicals and catholics have very little knowledge of the bible. Niknak told me I needed to read the bible AND ask god to reveal himself. I told him that my bible knowledge was excellent AND that I used to be a christian.

that's why your faiths have no fruits - TPWSYF

The fruits of the Catholic church have been pretty disgraceful. If it had put as much effort into helping others as it puts into protecting pedophiles it would be impressive.

You never did reply to my explanation of the Trinity. - TPWSYF

Yes you're right I never did. There was nothing to reply to as you didn't explain anything. You just offered a couple of metaphors about the personification of god's word and actions.

You still haven't explained the trinity.

The existence of the original manuscripts coupled with ancient artifacts that mention people in the bible as true historical figures - Tenacious

Baker Street really exists. Sherlock Holmes doesn't.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

Are you asking to know or asking to just mock? - Niknak

I haven't said anything even remotely mocking in tone. This is a religious discussion forum. I'm discussing religious belief.

Faith in God is Saying what you want, Knowing what you need and knowing that God can and will provide it for you in the perfect time.

That makes god sound like a cosmic vending machine.

If he provides all his children's needs in perfect time why does he frequently leave them to die in pointless natural disasters?

All the events in the Bible have been historically proven

But that really isn't so. Just for two examples there was no Adam and Eve. Humans evolved over millions of years from common ancestors of non-human animals. There was no global flood. These things are beyond sensible debate.

If you want to know more. Study it. Meditate on it and pray to Him. Ask Him to reveal Himself.

It's possible that my bible knowledge is as good as yours if not better. I was a born-again christian for about 9 years after I left the cult.

I know and accept that the Bible is God's word and it will and does speak for itself.

But you don't 'know' that the bible is god's word. You accept that despite an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary. Evidence that you seem to be unaware of.

we need to tread lightly so that we are not guilty of causing someone to stumble

We have nothing to fear from sharing facts and exchanging ideas. If somebody's beliefs are so fragile then they really need to be held up to scrutiny.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

I don't know why innocent babies are killed ... I do know God is good. - Iriddle80

Is this an example of cognitive dissonance?

And I apologise if I have offended anyone!

Never apologise for expressing yourself honestly.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

You have to walk by faith and not by sight. - Niknak

Niknak how is that different from wishful thinking?

Every religion and cult depends on faith rather than facts. All of them can cite amazing experiences and feelings. Are they all true?

God is only hidden to those who are hard hearted

Is 'hard-hearted' what you call people who respectfully ask for objective evidence?

I heard His voice

Is that a metaphor? If not what accent does god have?

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Is there anything that can open a JWs whos dyed in the wools mind

by rockemsockem in

we all know that jw who would still believe if tony morris killed a baby on the roof of wallkill and put it on the internet.

for those people will there come a time when they will see or do you think someone so deep in a cult will never come to realize its all a lie.

cofty

I think they will continue to suppress doubts until something happens that causes them to feel personally hurt.

Often that is the moment when we allow ourselves to entertain negative thoughts.

Subtle efforts to feed doubts in advance can pay off eventually.

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

Cofty, I guess the first thing I would challenge is that any life is "innocent" because there is original sin - Iriddle80

What did a baby do to be deserving of suffering?

Try to avoid parroting dogma and tell me what you really think?

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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

by BourneIdentity in

in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

cofty

I don't see any insults in my post, don't be so precious.

Faith and evidence are diametrically opposed.

'Eucharistic miracles' are risible.