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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  The same could be said of those who maintain all species evolved from a single cell and would be just as true.- Earnest

  I don't agree Earnest. We were all die-hard creationists once. I was proud of my ability to 'destroy' evolutionists. I knew everything that could be known about creationists arguments.

  I would have asserted that I knew about evolution but that was dishonest. My only source of information about evolution was from writers who were rejected evolution. When I actually studied the subject from science books - literally dozens of books over many years - I discovered how ignorant &/or dishonest creationist authors are.

  It is not easy to admit one of your foundational beliefs are wrong. The default position is to ignore actual scientific sources and cherry-pick creationist websites and YouTube videos that reinforce your ignorance. And of course they have not a clue how facile the arguments are that so impress them because they don't know the science - through choice.

  So no, there is no comparison in intellectual rigour and honesty between creationists who reject evolution, despite admitting never having read a single science book in their entire lives, and exJWs who have done the work and follow the evidence.

  One is motivated by fear and dogma, the other by curiosity and a love of learning.

  I have posted 40 threads of evidence for evolution, every one of them entirely in my own words based on countless hours of research and backed up by peer-reviewed papers. Creationists ignore them, post copy-paste and YouTube videos and pretend they are engaging in honest debate.

  Debating a creationist is like accepting a challenge against a bull in a china shop. He gets ten minutes to rampage and then you get ten minutes to put it all back together again.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  Evolution-deniers are motivated by a commitment to biblical literalism (or the quran) and not by an honest and objective consideration of the facts.

  Almost all evolution deniers are wilfully ignorant of the facts - and proud of it.

  There is no conspiracy of scientists to undermine Genesis, fame and riches awaits any scientist who could show it was wrong. The vast majority of xtians have no problem accepting the fact of evolution.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  No you didn't. But let's get back to the topic.

  Please tell me about the books you have studied that present the scientific case for evolution.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  Vander said that 'half of the number of forum members' believe in creation.

  The actual figure is 31% (based on a tiny sample)

  I know you don't believe that facts exist SBF but maths is not a matter of personal opinion or perspective. That is the beauty of maths; answers are either right or wrong. No amount of PoMO bullshit can change that.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  Discrediting people based on books they have or haven't read - Vander

  When somebody dismisses one of the best established facts known to science and yet admits to knowing absolutely not one single thing about the topic that is more than enough reason to discredit their opinions.

  half of the number of forum members believe in special creation - Vander

  Don't confuse popularity with veracity.

  Also your arithmetic is as good as your science. 15/49 x 100 = 31% not half.

  If there are any evolution deniers here who have studied the scientific case for evolution they are notable by their silence.

  Can you please defend your faith ... - Vander

  Good try at equating science with religious superstitions.

  Saying that somebody has faith in evolution is like saying we need faith to how an internal combustion engine works. Once you study the science and engineering and spend years working on them no faith is required - only evidence.

  Evolution is a Fact Parts 1-40 ...
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  Evolution is a Fact #3 - ERVs

  by cofty in

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  part 1 - protein functional redundancy.... part 2 - dna functional redundancy.... imagine you are teacher with suspicions that some of your pupils have been copying from each other.

  comparing the correct answers in all of their assignments might not provide conclusive evidence.

  they could simply claim they had all carefully revised the same textbooks so it shouldn't be surprising that they all gave the same answers.

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  Hooby - I Have accepted the burden of proof by providing 40 lines of evidence for evolution. Each of these is backed up by countless peer-reviewed papers.

  Please provide a link to even one peer-reviewed paper that debunks ERV's as evidence of primate common-ancestry.

  The creationist article you are linking to abuses papers in order to confuse ignorant xtians who know no better. It is exactly the same thing the Watchtower does. Read the article, do a google search for each of the papers and compare. Do you really need me to spoon-feed you?

  Why is that creationism is the one WT doctrine that exJWs find so hard to get rid of?
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  Evolution is a Fact #3 - ERVs

  by cofty in

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  part 1 - protein functional redundancy.... part 2 - dna functional redundancy.... imagine you are teacher with suspicions that some of your pupils have been copying from each other.

  comparing the correct answers in all of their assignments might not provide conclusive evidence.

  they could simply claim they had all carefully revised the same textbooks so it shouldn't be surprising that they all gave the same answers.

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  Where have you gone Hooby?
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  Vander - Serious question - What books that present the scientific evidence for evolution have you read?

  Same goes for the other 15 who voted against evolution.

  I am certain the answer is zero and equally certain nobody will admit to it.

  Evolution is a Fact Parts 1-40...
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  Listening to David Berlinski drone on about probability is like listening to an old drunk in the pub.

  I dipped into the video and he was trying to deny the evolution of whales by listing all the differences between a whale and a cow.

  The evidence for the origin of aquatic mammals is outstanding. A whole series of intermediate species has been found in Pakistan in recent decades. Even more recently the evidence from comparative DNA has put the matter beyond debate. It is exactly the sort of evidence we use every day to convict murderers and rapists.

  The field of evolutionary developmental biology has described how large changes in morphology result from small mutations of control genes.

  The only possible excuse we could make for Belinski is if this conversation happened 50 years ago. The fact that anybody today finds his waffle interesting is tragic.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  Vander - Serious question - What books that present the scientific evidence for evolution have you read?

  If you do answer this question honestly you will be the first.