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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  your insistence that it is your way or the highway is not compatible with the scientific method - Earnest

  'My way' is the very basic claim that all species descended from other species via evolution. That much will still be an unassailable fact in 10,000 years time. The earth will still not be flat and humans will still be the descendents of common ancestors of primates.

  Everything else is detail.

  Go back and look at the poll question in the OP. Anybody who rejects this basic fact in favour of special creation is just plain wrong. In the vast majority of cases they are being misled by bad theology.
  
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  You take debates over details and try to use that to pretend the basic fact of evolution may by in jeopardy.

  Nothing could be more intellectually dishonest.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  That is such an esoteric detail Earnest.

  Go all the way back billions of years to the very beginning of life and what did the roots of the tree look like?

  So what?

  Humans still descended from primate ancestors and from reptiles, amphibians and fish before that.

  So many attempts to muddy the waters in this thread. Not sure if it is deliberate or because people really don't understand the significance of their quote-mining.

  Evolution is a Fact...
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  evolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..

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  The significance of epigenetics is often massively overstated in popular science. I have a book here by Nessa Carey called The Epigenetic Revolution. It's interesting but I suspect it is also much exaggerated. The ridiculous headline and strapline in the Guardian is a classic example of bad science journalism.

  Environment may have a passing effect on the expression of genes but the basic code is still the same. The physical folding of the DNA molecule actually affects the translation of genes.

  Regardless of the long-term conclusion on the significance of epigenetics it has no bearing on the fundamental fact of common ancestry.

  I think this is the third or fourth time I have made the same point. All extant species - and the 99.9% that have gone extinct - evolved from a common ancestor. That will still be true in 10,000 years time whatever details of the process have to be reconsidered.
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  Evolution or Creation Poll

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  Without Evolution what are atheists left with to “explain” biological design, and complexity? - Hooby

  Why is explain in scare quotes Hooby?

  Let me clarify for you - It is not necessary for a theist to reject the fact of evolution. Millions of christians simply accept that biological evolution is as well established as the shape of planet earth. The earth is not flat; evolution is a fact. These two statements are equal in veracity.

  Evolution is a necessary but not a sufficient idea for atheism.

  Evolution-denial is not a necessary position to be a bible-believing christian.
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  What’s Your Favorite Breakfast??

  by minimus in

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  to me, breakfast can be served at any time of the day.

  a local bar in my area serves breakfast all day long.

  for 5 bucks you get 2 eggs any way you like, bacon sausage or ham with home fries and toast!!

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  Two poached eggs on toast
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  Evolution is NOT atheism.

  The vast majority of christians accept the fact of evolution and manage to reconcile it with their faith. Many scientists who work in biology, genetics and paleontology are christians.

  We have sixteen people on this forum who are bad theologians.
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  I do not accept that a theist can honestly and objectively reject the basic fact of common ancestry.

  That's like saying a JW can study all the facts and honestly and objectively believe that Jerusalem fell in 607 BC.

  However much they protest you just know they are deluding themself about their motives.
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  There are many who have made an honest, objective study of the facts and have come to conclusions different to yours

  Who has studied the scientific evidence for evolution - NOT from critical sources - and concluded that evolution is false who is not a theist?

  I will be very surprised if you know of such a person.
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  Hooby - The material for my series Evolution is a Fact came from a large number of sources. Mostly from books on my bookshelf. I did use TalkOrigins among other sources for some of the early threads on DNA. It is a very good website and also exists as a series of podcasts. The ERV diagram came from google images.

  On a number of occasions I have listed many of these sources including books and websites when posters have asked for further research.

  Have you checked out your dishonest use of sources on the ERV thread yet?