Posts by cofty

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UK Islamic fanatic shot dead...

by The Fall Guy in

...having been released half way through his sentence from prison only weeks ago - for terror offences.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51351844.

cofty

It happened 100 yards from my friend's house in Streatham. His daughter was unknowingly walking towards the incident when somebody stopped her and told her something was going on and she should go back home.

Militant Islamists have no place in British society. Once they are convicted they should never be released unless they can prove their complete rejection of their former ideology. How that could be done I'm not sure. Perhaps lie detector tests could be part of it. Somebody who is still a potential danger needs to be denied liberty permanently.

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FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

by Phizzy in

this from j.w survey :.

https://jwsurvey.org/we knew they did this to a degree, but this is a blatant way of siphoning money to where the leaders want it, with no control, no transparency, and no way for anyone to be able to see where it has gone.

jehovah’s witness uk headquarters dissolves kingdom hall charities, seizes full control of property and finances.

cofty

Just wait until a congregation wants to redecorate of replace their chairs or a better microphone and the KHT says 'no you can't have your money back, it's ours now'.

Donations will drop when local JWs realise that not one penny they donate stays local and they lose all control over spending.

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FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

by Phizzy in

this from j.w survey :.

https://jwsurvey.org/we knew they did this to a degree, but this is a blatant way of siphoning money to where the leaders want it, with no control, no transparency, and no way for anyone to be able to see where it has gone.

jehovah’s witness uk headquarters dissolves kingdom hall charities, seizes full control of property and finances.

cofty

We would do a duet on that one!

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FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

by Phizzy in

this from j.w survey :.

https://jwsurvey.org/we knew they did this to a degree, but this is a blatant way of siphoning money to where the leaders want it, with no control, no transparency, and no way for anyone to be able to see where it has gone.

jehovah’s witness uk headquarters dissolves kingdom hall charities, seizes full control of property and finances.

cofty

The hypocrisy is obvious in this document.

It is stressed at length that the whole reason for the 'proposal is to take pressure away from local secretaries in dealing with the administration of a legal charity.

However the letter to the elders tells elders of congregations of non-registered charities that they are also involved and should use the relevant resolution. The FAQ section goes on to say...

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Why is our congregation being invited to merge and not others?
Your congregation is being invited now as a part of a staged roll-out. In time all congregations will be invited to merge with KHT and enjoy the benefits of the merger.

Who will control the funds of our local congregation?
The Trustees of KHT will ultimately control the funds of the congregation.

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This is a blatant grab of every last penny and all real estate assets in the UK.

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FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

by Phizzy in

this from j.w survey :.

https://jwsurvey.org/we knew they did this to a degree, but this is a blatant way of siphoning money to where the leaders want it, with no control, no transparency, and no way for anyone to be able to see where it has gone.

jehovah’s witness uk headquarters dissolves kingdom hall charities, seizes full control of property and finances.

cofty

If this doesn't raise a red flag ...

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However, because elders would no longer serve as trustees, your local donations would be administered by KHT as part of its general funds. This could mean that the Trustees decide to use your donations to support the Kingdom work elsewhere in our branch territory and throughout the world..

The new arrangement also means that your congregation would no longer own its Kingdom Hall. Each congregation that agrees to the proposal would donate its funds and any property it owns, to KHT..

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They just need to delete the word 'could' and replace it with 'will'.

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THE IRISH TIMES: Judge orders blood can be administered to Jehovah’s Witness girl

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-orders-blood-can-be-administered-to-jehovah-s-witness-girl-1.4157892.

a teenage girl who urgently requires surgery can, if necessary, be administered blood or blood products against the wishes of herself and her parents, all members of the jehovah’s witness faith, the president of the high court has ordered.. mr justice peter kelly said he was satisfied, notwithstanding the views of the girl and her parents, the orders are necessary for preserving the girl’s life and not to permit them would be “hazardous”.. the orders take immediate effect, he directed.. david leahy bl, for the hse, sought the orders in an ex parte application, one side only represented, on friday afternoon.. a solicitor for the hse told the court he had informed the girl and her parents of the court application and the parents had indicated they were not attending court to oppose it.. the solicitor said the parents were not objecting to surgery but, should a situation arise where the medical team wanted to administer blood or blood products, they could not agree to that and wanted the team to explore all other alternatives.. they had also said they wanted the best for their daughter and would not stand in the way of a court order.. mr justice kelly said court applications for leave to administer blood or blood products against the wishes of members of the jehovah’s witness faith, while not a regular occurrence, are not unusual.. he referred to a number of decisions permitting that to be done in “exceptional” circumstances.. on the medical evidence, including that antibiotic therapy had not reduced the infection and the serous risk of sepsis if surgery is not carried out, he was satisfied she needed the surgery.. read more: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-orders-blood-can-be-administered-to-jehovah-s-witness-girl-1.4157892.

cofty

I don’t know what the age cut off should be, but 18 or even 16 seems a bit old. I would have wanted my wishes respected younger than that ... Maybe around about 13 or so? - SBF

Why should a court care about a teenager's wish to become a martyr? The task of the state is to protect a child from themselves and others

Teenagers brought up in the cult are brainwashed. Their access to contrary information is completely controlled therefore they are incapable of making an informed choice. At 13 I could have given a convincing case that I understood why I didn't want blood and made it sound like my own choice. It would have been a total sham.

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A new evolutionary link

by Half banana in

that heroic labeller of living things, the 18th century swede carl linnaeus, painstakingly grouped into discrete categories everything which grew breathed or moved.

his meticulous ranking of “kinds” made the scientific examination of the living world a whole lot easier.

his legacy is greatly valued and his system is still universally used today.. however as time has unfurled, a problem arose in the observation that nature does not always agree with the human desire for rigid boundaries -- of what makes a family, genus or species.

cofty

Thank you HB. Great stuff.

I love to hear about developments in early life research.

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Only One Destiny for All Christians

by cofty in

the following is an extract from an article i wrote when i left the watchtower 25 years ago.

it may be helpful in reasoning with a jw about the anointed/great crowd distinction.. --------------------------------.

to divide people into those with a heavenly hope and those with an earthly one is not a biblical concept.

cofty

Major religions have divided over such minutiae.

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THE IRISH TIMES: Judge orders blood can be administered to Jehovah’s Witness girl

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-orders-blood-can-be-administered-to-jehovah-s-witness-girl-1.4157892.

a teenage girl who urgently requires surgery can, if necessary, be administered blood or blood products against the wishes of herself and her parents, all members of the jehovah’s witness faith, the president of the high court has ordered.. mr justice peter kelly said he was satisfied, notwithstanding the views of the girl and her parents, the orders are necessary for preserving the girl’s life and not to permit them would be “hazardous”.. the orders take immediate effect, he directed.. david leahy bl, for the hse, sought the orders in an ex parte application, one side only represented, on friday afternoon.. a solicitor for the hse told the court he had informed the girl and her parents of the court application and the parents had indicated they were not attending court to oppose it.. the solicitor said the parents were not objecting to surgery but, should a situation arise where the medical team wanted to administer blood or blood products, they could not agree to that and wanted the team to explore all other alternatives.. they had also said they wanted the best for their daughter and would not stand in the way of a court order.. mr justice kelly said court applications for leave to administer blood or blood products against the wishes of members of the jehovah’s witness faith, while not a regular occurrence, are not unusual.. he referred to a number of decisions permitting that to be done in “exceptional” circumstances.. on the medical evidence, including that antibiotic therapy had not reduced the infection and the serous risk of sepsis if surgery is not carried out, he was satisfied she needed the surgery.. read more: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/judge-orders-blood-can-be-administered-to-jehovah-s-witness-girl-1.4157892.

cofty

Thankfully this is the norm in many countries now. In emergencies UK doctors can obtain a ward of court order by telephone.

There is a kind of dance that everybody has to perform. The elders pretend they must resist blood. The parents tell the doctors they can't possibly give consent to blood. The doctors politely suggest it would be good to let the court take responsibility. The parents acquiesce. The court notes its respect for the sincere beliefs of all concerned and give temporary custody of the child to a ward of court who gives consent. The parents assure the court and the doctors of their respect for the decision of the court.

Outcomes - The child's life is saved. The parents are massively - and quietly relieved. The elders are even more quietly relieved. Job done.

Nobody actually believes that blood is more sacred than life.

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A new evolutionary link

by Half banana in

that heroic labeller of living things, the 18th century swede carl linnaeus, painstakingly grouped into discrete categories everything which grew breathed or moved.

his meticulous ranking of “kinds” made the scientific examination of the living world a whole lot easier.

his legacy is greatly valued and his system is still universally used today.. however as time has unfurled, a problem arose in the observation that nature does not always agree with the human desire for rigid boundaries -- of what makes a family, genus or species.

cofty

Half Banana - Do oyu have a link to the discovery by the Japanese scientists that you refer to please?

Endosymbiosis is a classic example of how science works at its best. It was rejected for many years until Lynne Margulies (wife of Carl Sagan I think) and her colleagues mustered sufficient evidence.