God demanded Abraham murder his child. God ordered the murder of hundreds of Amalekite infants. God has form.
Posts by cofty
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26Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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cofty
God knew for a whole two months that Jephthah was going to murder his child in order to pay God back for the victory. He did NOTHING. He could have told his High Priest to intervene, he did not.
Jephthah had good reason to think it was the ultimate way to prove his loyalty. God demanded that Abraham murder his child to prove his loyalty and only let him off with a last minute reprieve.
Murdering children is a speciality of Yahweh - especially if their parents are the wrong nationality.
The fact that Jephthah ended up with apparent leprosy, having to be buried in several places because his limbs fell off
You have a strange definition of the word 'fact'. This post-biblical addition is nothing but a fig-leaf to cover Rabbinical embarrassment.
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Covid 19 Mortality Rates Calculated from CDC Data by Professional Data Analyst
by Sea Breeze instudent (age 6-18) deaths from covid-19-involved illnesses are projected at a rate of 0.0001% as a percentage of their peers.
they died from influenza-involved illnesses at a rate of 0.0005% in 2018.. workforce (age 19-55) deaths from covid-19-involved illnesses are projected at a rate of .01% as a percentage of their peers.
they died from influenza-involved illnesses at a rate of .007% in 2018.. retired (age 66-77) deaths from covid-19-involved illnesses are projected at a rate of 1% as a percentage of their peers.
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cofty
This "social distancing" does something else too. It prevents people from getting together and talking about how they are being manipulated by the powers that be - 1234
You're talking about it. You sound like a tin-foil-hat-wearing nutter but you are free to talk.
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Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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cofty
Yes.
Jephthah was appointed leader of Israel. God heard the vow. God knew of Jephthah's intention to murder his child as an offering to him. God did nothing to prevent a crime being carried out in his name. God is culpable.
Jephthah had a precedent in God's demand to Abraham to murder his child as a sacrifice. This time there was no last minute intervention.
Killing people is pretty much Yahweh's job description.
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There Are Better Songs to Sing
by cofty inthe 1983 film educating rita, written by willy russell and starring michael caine and julie walters, is one of the finest stories ever told.
julie's character is the eponymous working class hairdresser and michael caine plays professor frank bryant her open university tutor assigned, against his will, to teach her english literature.
the dialogue is brilliant and funny but it is the dilemma of an awakening rita caught between two worlds that is deeply moving.
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cofty
Yes I recorded it and watched it last night. That pub scene is so poinant.
Great to hear a real life example Mikronboy 👍
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Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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cofty
No. Please read my post again.
I said - 'he remained silent and accepted child sacrifice.'
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Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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cofty
Source please - Sea Breeze
If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering ... he did to her as he had vowed - Judges 11
If Jephthah had thought better of his vow and spared the life of his child that would have been the point of the story. Instead the point of the story is Jephthah's willingness to keep his vow and his daughter's acquiescence. The OT is full of examples of Yahweh communicating his wishes to his prophets. On this occasion he remained silent and accepted child sacrifice.
Everything else is hand waving by embarrassed theologians.
God could end evil and suffering by tomorrow morning if he wanted. All he has to do is forcibly take away our free will - Sea Breeze
Countless millions of humans have suffered and died as a result of 'natural evil' that has absolutely nothing to do with free will. Your god does not get to blame the victims. A tsunami proves beyond all doubt that the god of christian theism does not exist.
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Jephthah's Daughter
by Sea Breeze ini have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.
i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.
if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.
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cofty
God accepted the sacrifice of the girl. You can't quote later texts to prove god doesn't approve of human sacrifice. In Judges he approved of it.
Nowhere does the bible present a consistent position on anything. It is a story of hundreds of years of human interactions with a deity. In many places - and this is a classic example - the god of the bible is a moral monster and unworthy of our respect.
In the older parts of the OT Yahweh is the source of BOTH good and evil. Dualism - and the convenience of a nemesis to blame for bad things - does not appear until after the Babylonian exile. The Jews adopted the idea of a Satan from Persian Zoroastrianism.
I see you have swapped Questions From Readers for Got Questions. Still letting others do your thinking for you.
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There Are Better Songs to Sing
by cofty inthe 1983 film educating rita, written by willy russell and starring michael caine and julie walters, is one of the finest stories ever told.
julie's character is the eponymous working class hairdresser and michael caine plays professor frank bryant her open university tutor assigned, against his will, to teach her english literature.
the dialogue is brilliant and funny but it is the dilemma of an awakening rita caught between two worlds that is deeply moving.
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cofty
The 1983 film Educating Rita, written by Willy Russell and starring Michael Caine and Julie Walters, is one of the finest stories ever told.
Julie's character is the eponymous working class hairdresser and Michael Caine plays Professor Frank Bryant her Open University tutor assigned, against his will, to teach her English literature. The dialogue is brilliant and funny but it is the dilemma of an awakening Rita caught between two worlds that is deeply moving.
The more Rita learns the more aware she becomes of the emptiness of her life. She is unsatisfied with the limited ambitions of her husband Denny and their extended families. At the same time she knows she does not belong in the middle class intellectual world she aspires to.
There is a scene that affected me profoundly when I watched it during the period that I was 'awake' to the Watchtower but still socially a JW. Rita accepts an invitation to a drinks party at Bryant's house. She arrives late feeling uncomfortable with her dress and her choice of wine. She leaves and joins her family at the pub where they are singing along to the jukebox - 'I'm so happy that you're so happy that we're so happy...together..'
Her sense of disconnection is palpable. She looks at her mum who is silently crying. Rita asks her mum what's wrong and she answers, 'There must be better songs to sing than this.' It's an incredibly profound scene.
If you are caught between two worlds don't give up and retreat to the comfort of the familiar. It will be painful and bewildering but a world with bigger horizons is out there. There are better songs to sing.
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Dis/UNITED Kingdom?
by BoogerMan inengland, wales, scotland & n.i.
are independently making or changing the covid 19 lockdown laws/rules to suit themselves... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52600708.
garden centres are opening in wales on monday, in england on wednesday, but by the looks of things, are far too dangerous to open them anytime soon in scotland or n.i.
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cofty
Hello Mikronboy, thanks for your kind comments.
Boogy makes the common mistake of conflating robust disagreement with personal attack.
The former makes the forum an interesting place for those of us who welcome factual challenges to our assumptions. The latter makes it more like a school playground.