Posts by jerome

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If Russell Were Alive Today He'd Be DF'd For

by Dutchie in

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friends

i was just thinking that if charles taze russell were alive today he wouldn't even recognize the religion he started.

in fact, many of the things he did are now disfellowshippable offenses.

for instance, he had a christmas tree in the bethel home and he wore a beard.

jerome

I STAND CORRECTED.

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Now I read in a book recently that his wife said something about the adopted daughter and Russel in the trial. Thus my claim that people revealed that his wife accused him of pediopheila. Again I stand corrected.

People have somany opinions about Russel that it is hard to determine what is fact. I have to rethink my entire view of Russel after readind about him in a book I just got. To distinguish opionion from fact is sometimes difficult.

I would like the FULL transcripts as I only have been able thus far to obtain partial transcripts. I will check out kents site as well.

I have to do more research on Russel to get a more accurete picture of him.

jerome

p.s. I will be more careful with what I read.

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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Proposal for You Know

by jerome in

could i challenge you to a debate regarding your teachings?.

i have a stragety in mind.. the rules would be simple, who ever cannot anwser five questions to the satisfaction of the judges would loose the debate.. not anwsering a question at all counts as a loss.. you could get to pick three or four judges on this board who you think would be reasonable to judge our responces.. and i would get to do the same.

i.e i get to pick four posters who i think wll be reasonable.. that means there will be a total of 6 or 8 judges.. outside help is allowed.. does that sound fair?.

jerome

I may have o go off line for a while soon.

But i would still like to continue this.

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If Russell Were Alive Today He'd Be DF'd For

by Dutchie in

jw
friends

i was just thinking that if charles taze russell were alive today he wouldn't even recognize the religion he started.

in fact, many of the things he did are now disfellowshippable offenses.

for instance, he had a christmas tree in the bethel home and he wore a beard.

jerome

I have some "New light" for RR.

Russel never claimed to be the FDS

well...I'm not to sure about that.

You will never find it in his writings

I dont know if he expressed this belief in his writings but others close to him sure did.

Let me shine some light on the situation.

Did Russel claim to be the FDS?

"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithfull and wise servant', and that his great work was giving to the Household of Faith meat in due season. his modesty and humility precluded him from proclaiming this title, but he admitted this much in private conversation."
(WT 12/1/16 p 357)

There you have it.

He admitted as much in private.

If this is true he thought he fulfilled a Bible prophecy.

RR may still be right though because this was 2 years after his death. So sombody could have been captiolizing on his status.
There are other quotations which suggest that he thought that he was the FDS but I think that is enough.

I'm sure that you will take my word for it.

I highlited the word humility because I think (it is only my opinion)
that he was not a very humble man. This was in my opinion just a ploy to paint a positive picture of C.T.R by the person who wdited that issue of the Watchtower.

I have come to this view through viewing trial transcripts from his divorce.

I think his wife accused him of pediopheila.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

jerome

Edited to say that it was suggested that he was the FDS after his death.

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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Proposal for You Know

by jerome in

could i challenge you to a debate regarding your teachings?.

i have a stragety in mind.. the rules would be simple, who ever cannot anwser five questions to the satisfaction of the judges would loose the debate.. not anwsering a question at all counts as a loss.. you could get to pick three or four judges on this board who you think would be reasonable to judge our responces.. and i would get to do the same.

i.e i get to pick four posters who i think wll be reasonable.. that means there will be a total of 6 or 8 judges.. outside help is allowed.. does that sound fair?.

jerome

Interesting points you know.

But I wonder about something.

The devil disobayed a direct command from God Almighty.

He did not do what God wanted him to do. So he did not walk in the ways of the truth any longer.

If I were to disobey an elders command who would I be disobeying.

God or the elder?

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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Who is actualy a jehovah witness here? I mean Jeez

by ShyGurlie in

im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.

jerome

E-mail me mabe we can correspond.

Click on the e-mail thinggy on the left.

By the way, dont let your parents catch you on this site.

I think you know what kind of trouble you will get into if you do manage to get caught.

I hope you know how to clear the history, temporary internet files and to get this url from the url box.

Most people here will be direct and straight foward with you about what they think.

They will usually add some sarcastic comment or an insult about the Watchtower when they present info to you. It is because they think the WT caused them pain. They have a point though. As you will find out if you stick around.

Many things that the Watchtower says about apostates are true but not all of them. Many things about them will surprise you.

Rember many people here were just like you so if you listen mabe you will find out why they changed.

It is really hard to express compassion to someone who they know that is supposed to hate you. And you are such a person. That is why people may seem harsh towards you.

It is all for a good reason so please find out why.

jerome

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

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Who is actualy a jehovah witness here? I mean Jeez

by ShyGurlie in

im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.

jerome

The blood issue has its flaws,

if you stay here long enough you will find out why.

People here will be willing to explain it to you if you let them.

As you know you are to expect lies and bitter ness from apostates but again I ask you to wait and find out why.

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People here think that you are a poster that got deactivated recently for profanity.

Anyway this may be entertaining to you for now but if you stay you will find out that they can back up what they say.

Not with Apostate literature but with Watchtower literature!

Yes. People here can show you quotations from your own books that will make your head spin.

Many things which you believe are under constant scrutiny by the public and many think that they have found serious flaws.

Please just wait and see.

The Watchtwer says that reading apostate literatue or associating with apostates may alter your spritual health.

That is 100% true.

YES. It will alter you spritual health but in what way?

Please do not close your mind to any arguments as yet, just wait and see.

Oh by the way how long have you been a publisure?

Are you baptized?

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Who is actualy a jehovah witness here? I mean Jeez

by ShyGurlie in

im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.

jerome

Nableis

Why dont you wait and find out if it is yoyo before you make accusations.

Wont Simon inform the board if it is comming from the same ip address.

If this person if for real dont scare them away.

p.s.

I was for real. Dont jump to conclusions.

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Who is actualy a jehovah witness here? I mean Jeez

by ShyGurlie in

im a young high school girl who thinks that this is crazy.

jerome

People here sound angry because they were lied to for most of their lives by what you are now partially defending by stating that it dosent sem fair to only critisize the jws.

If you were to stay on this board for a while you would find out what exactly allows them to be so angry.

You said that this site attacks the jw religion.

Again if you stayed here for a while you would see why it may seem that way.

When you leave the jw religion you lose your friends and your family, they treat you as if you were dead. They wont even come to you funeral!

People need to be able to vent their anger when they leave the religion and to associate with people who they can relate with. This board is the perfect place for that.

If you find out exactly what happened to them then you would probally take their side.

You probally dont know much about the jws history and their unscriptural teachings so you cant relate to their calling it a false religion as yet.

People dont say those kind of things without good reason. Just find out what the reason is first before you come to a conclusion.

If people here on this board say something that isnt true someone will surely pick up on it, and correct them. There are too many posters on this board who wouldent let misinformation go unnoticed.

Please donot be so quick to jump to a conclusion about these posters.

Just wait and you will see why.

There is a good reason for their attitude towards the Watchtower.

The organisation may seem good on the outside but if you check it out you may find out many things which surprise you.

People here are voicing factual info about the watchtower even though they may express their distastefull opinions of it at the same time.

Just stick around and find out more, then you may sympthize with the way they express their views.

Its really that simple.

p.s.

You may be accused of being another poster dont worry about it. That will pass.

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If this is yoyo it will become obvious soon, so leave the newbie alone, ok.

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Proposal for You Know

by jerome in

could i challenge you to a debate regarding your teachings?.

i have a stragety in mind.. the rules would be simple, who ever cannot anwser five questions to the satisfaction of the judges would loose the debate.. not anwsering a question at all counts as a loss.. you could get to pick three or four judges on this board who you think would be reasonable to judge our responces.. and i would get to do the same.

i.e i get to pick four posters who i think wll be reasonable.. that means there will be a total of 6 or 8 judges.. outside help is allowed.. does that sound fair?.

jerome

I was just giving you the chance to start off for the sake of being civil.

Well since you dont have anything in mind then i'll start.

First off.

I would like to ask you to justify the your calling the WTBS the truth.

As simply as possible, you have a habbit of extremly long posts so could you pleas start one point at a time.

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Proposal for You Know

by jerome in

could i challenge you to a debate regarding your teachings?.

i have a stragety in mind.. the rules would be simple, who ever cannot anwser five questions to the satisfaction of the judges would loose the debate.. not anwsering a question at all counts as a loss.. you could get to pick three or four judges on this board who you think would be reasonable to judge our responces.. and i would get to do the same.

i.e i get to pick four posters who i think wll be reasonable.. that means there will be a total of 6 or 8 judges.. outside help is allowed.. does that sound fair?.

jerome

I think that you should pick a topick that you want to discuss.

For instance what yould you say if you went to my door and wanted to start a Watchtower opps sorry... Bible study with me?

The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.