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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

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  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  Well I said it is a third world i.e developing nation but not exactly like afganistan where people are too poor to go to school or anything.

  I just mean that the Witnesses are everywhere. I dont think that any of them are missionaries but they are permanent residents. Alot of them come around. Like every month and a half I see them. Tha in my opnion is way too often. And I rearly ever hear anything detailed about them, only people just call them a cult but have no idea why. But that is going to change. The internet is here to stay.

  Because my counry isnt as developed as America you would expect the information resources to be limited on the most basic level. But everything is changing and people are becomng wise to the WT and Mormon cult. The Mormons are missionaies though because you can tel that they dont come from around here. But I think that people would consider them to weird to take them seriously. And try arging wih a true Christian believer who is a trinitarian. That is why they cant really make too much ground because they believe that jesus wasnt God.

  Everyone I know seems to be using the internet whether it be for porn or research or chaton msn. So I would expect the number of witnesses to be reduced or stagnate very soon saying that you can find out about them wiht the click of a mouse.

  It is important to note that just because a country is third world dosent necessarily mean that the people there are uneducated or cant afford expensive cars or have a television in every room. Its just means that they are not as advanced as countries like the G-7.

  But anyways so far I am positive that none of the people that I warned about the witnesses will every become involved with the cult. I have innoculated all of my friends and immediate family. They know what to expect from them. So when they lie to any ofmy friends they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

  My gf on the other hand...

  She is a case.

  Its easier to talk to her about Watchtower being a cult than it is with a older more indoctrinated witness. But she gives me the same standard WT preprogramed responces that you would expect from a witness.

  I have gotten her to accept the fact thet I think that the Watchtower is a cult and I will never become a Witness. And even gotten her to touch an apostate book! Thats gotta count for something. But I think her mother and brother will not be that tolerant.

  So that is why I ask questions and lurk on this messageboard especially when I have exams comming up. I hope spending soooo much time on this board dosent affect my studies too much.

  So thats it.

  As James once told me

  I am the ultimate Witness nightmare.

  An informed non-witness!

  jerome
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  jerome

  Sorry I posted the same thing twice.
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  How often do they talk about this Theocratic War Stragety at meetings?

  The same lady came back with her daughter the next sunday.

  At the end of that conversation I asked her point blank if she knew what theocratic war stragety was but instead of anwsering the question she just laughed. And her daughter did the same.

  But even after revealing all that I knew I still got a third return visit. This one was only for a few minuted though. She (the daughter) came back last sunday for some information about the UN scandal.
  She read the print outs I gave her and started to laugh half way through.
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  So thats why Yadirf never seems to be able to anwser a direct question.

  jerome
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  What Constitues "WORK" James 2:20-26

  by JT in

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  *** rbi8 james 2:20-26 ***.

  20 but ... that faith apart from works is inactive?

  .... you see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.

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  Ahm ah JT...
  not that I have a prob with you posting the thing about sacred service or anything but arent you supposed to be studying? I maen with the signing off the net thang and all? But if you just dropped back in for a shout i'm glad that you decided to.

  I ahm ah wish i could get away from this board myself, but it seems as though i'm addicted.

  Oh well...

  jerome

  ps
  Nice to have you back for a while.

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  attempt to get to know the non-jw girls

  ROTFLMFAO

  Ah I dont really know what to say about the other stuff like being depressed most of the time and all. But suffice it to say i'm glad that your past that stage in your life.

  That was a nice little story though. Its adarn shame that more people who are studying with the JWs dont hear more stories like that.

  thakns

  jerome
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  SS

  I would like to konw (if you wouldent mind) if you yourself actually had to lie to somebody while in feild service or to a study.

  jerome
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  Springtime in the mountains

  by OUTLAW in

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  its springtime in the mountains and i`ve chipped the ice off my computer!so hows it going guys?i haven`t been around for awhile so i thought i`d stop by,and see how you all were doing.i see some new names and alot of old familiar ones.it looks like business as usual around here.old friends chatting,newbies coming in to try out the board.dum-ass trolls trying to fool everyone with a new name and an old game.derrick from h2o is still trying to hussle posters from simons board(will karate-boy ever learn h2o is dead for a reason.he`s there.lol).i saw skipper over at kents site and tina was chewing his ass good(lol,that is one firey woman,i always liked her).simon is still having to put up with yo-yo and his insanity.yep,things are pretty normal around here(well,as normal as there gonna get,lol)anyways stop by and say hello..

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  jerome

  Some things never change.

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses lie to recruits?

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first let me say this.. i have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the jehovah's witness for some time now.

  i have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.. my problem is this:.

  when a jehovah's witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the watchtower.. case in point.

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  jerome

  First let me say this.

  I have constantly been hearing of the legendary honesty/intergity of the Jehovah's Witness for some time now. I have also been informed that they are the happiest people on the entire earth.

  My problem is this:

  When a Jehovah's Witness comes to your door and you actually decide to give them a few moments of your time they never give the whole story as to what you would be getting involved with when you join the Watchtower.

  Case in point. The last conversation that I had with a JW in feild service was a few weeks ago. While at my door I asked several point blank questions and they either directly lied to me about them or they purposely sidestepped the issues. Two topics that I brought up are as follows,

  1) Did your Church predict that the World would end within the region of a few months past 1975?

  It is important to note that the lady I asked this question was baptized in 1969! She expected me to believe that there was absolutely no shuch statement ever written in their magazines or at any talk or convention. I simply cannot believe that statement due to the fact that I have too much irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

  I know that she was lying.

  A second issue was,

  2) Do you practise shunning people that have left your church by dissociation or being disfelloshipping.

  She refused to give me a direct anwser to my question at first. So I had to ask a series of less significant questions inorder to get her to to reveal more information.

  I asked her if you could asociate or even converse with a person who had been disfelloshipped and she replyed with this statement;

  " Well just the other day a lady who came from another country visited my Kingdom Hall and she said she was disfelloshipped."

  Now this was a statement made with one intention and one intenton alone, which was to decieve. For some reason though I wasent too surprised that she said this but I expected better of her though.

  I replied with,

  "So how long did you two ladies converse after the moment that she stated that she was disfelloshipped?"

  Her reply was

  "Well she aksed about the elders"

  I persisted in asking

  "How long did you talk to the lady after she stated thet she was disfelloshipped?"

  She side stepped the question with this reply

  "Well we have the elders who deal with those sorts of conversations."

  The moral of the story is if I hadent known for a fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to associate or even speak to their disassociatted or disfelloshipped individuals that she would have convinced me that being labeled disfellshipped or disassociated was nothing but a trivial matter.

  But the truth of the matter is that after you have been baptized as a Jehovah's Witness and you decide to lave the organisation or are disfelloshipped ( given the boot ) that you will most likely loose all your friends and family who remain Jehovah's Witnesses. Since you are incouraged not to associate with non-Witnesses you will have pratically no friends.

  Levaing the organisation after you have ben baptized could destroy your entire life as you had known it. There is no error where that statement is concerned.

  If I was ever in doubt that the Witnesses utilize decptive recruting tacktics the conversation I had with a mature Witness in feild service confirmed my information for good. I think that she would have realized forshure that I knew more about the Watchtower than the average house holder but that did not sway her to refrain from lying. Ifact I think that she saw me as an agent of satan which would havegiven her evenmore reason to le to me.

  At this point I would like to pose a few questions to anyone wiling to anwser.

  While you were a Witness were you informed about the usage of spritual warfare? If so then how often did you use it especially while in feild service?

  It is because of matters like this that I truly believe that the Watchtower organisation is a menace to society. Since in my opinion most recruits would have no idea of what they are becoming involved with. They would not know that they would be expected to give up their past aquaintances, endure the 3 meetings a week, put up with any ostracism that they may recieve from the congragation, increase their chances of suffering from mential depression, pedal Watchtower literature on a regular basis, refuse life saving transfusions, and basically give up to question authority of the ones controlling your life. This is but a short list of what one is required to give up as a baptised Witness.

  It just isnt fair for someone to have to get involved with an organisation shuch as the Watchtower without knowing the whole story.

  It is a pity that the Witnesses themselves who have been involved with the organisation for several years dont even know the whole story themselves. Yet they presist in deciving house holders inorder to recruit them into the Watchtower.

  This has to be the Ultimate irony.

  jerome
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  To the owner of Silentlambs website

  by Spiderman in

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  2. friends

  hello sir,.

  i am very interested in your work.

  i have read through your website and cried at some of the stories told.

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  jerome

  Gee I thought up a new word.

  What do troll eat?

  Anwser: TRubLLesnacks.