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  Question about WT study.

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read a thread recently where syn was discussing a watchtower book study.. is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?.

  was syn neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?.

  because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging.

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  jerome

  Cant let the thread die yet.
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  Question about WT study.

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read a thread recently where syn was discussing a watchtower book study.. is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?.

  was syn neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?.

  because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging.

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  jerome

  SS

  I know what you mean about them placing the weaker ones with the more mature. This especially happens in field service. Every time I talk to them in field service there is always one who is easier to mess up than the next one.

  jerome
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  Who's Saying What?

  by Psychdigg in

  1. social
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  i have been reviewing my tape of the dateline program and i will make some comments in depth.

  however i have a question?.

  in the call to the legal department at the watchtower did the person representing the watchtower identify himself by name?

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  jerome

  This topic is a little bit to hot for me to handle for too long so i'll have drop it quickly.

  I really doubt that the legal department was notified conversation was being recorded. Do any of you really think that they were? After all if what was said ever became available for public consumption reproach may be brought upon the Watchtower's, err.. ummm, I mean Jehovah's name.

  You Know's comment was extremly biased i'll tell you why. Apparently he dosent know that there are times that you sometimes have to break certain rules for the benefit of the grater good. Thats why you can injure someone even kill in self defence. It is ethically wrong to kill but under certain conditions it is viewed as ok to protect your own life. Then there are those who would still disagree that people should ever kill under any circumsances anyway. Example think about the death peanlity? My point simply is that any time you break certain codes of ethics or values there will always be those who do not agree that you should have.

  I think You Know only reacted the way he did because the dateline programme indirectly made him personally look bad so he had to find every possible fault within it to defend his stance. You know would have never reacted the way he did had he got wind of a situation when one of his fellow brothers was listening in secretly on a telephone conversation as a second Witness so that the person could be disfelloshipped or lying in court to protect organisations public reputation.

  As usual he uses two sets of scales.
  One for the Watchtower and one for those who seek reform.

  On a more contrversial note:

  Just because they were right over all in trying to protect the children dosent mean that they dident do anything along the way that was questionable.

  And recording a telephone conversation without notifying the other person was at least questionable because it isnt something that would usually be accepted under normal circumstances. If someone had recorded a private conversation involving you and released it to your those whom you associate with inorder to suit their own agenda you would very likely be crying fowl.

  This is the very reason why you cannot post private e-mails. It violates confedentiality.

  I think what psych was probally refering to was, the fact that the Watchtower considers itself to be above any secular law and above anyother code of values or ethics, which has lent itself lead way to do anything which it desires without reprocussions. Posters are always complaining about elders who constantly abuse their authority, lord over the flock and think that they can get away with almost anything. As psych said this is whats wrong with the Waatchtower Society to day. They arent enough checks and balances to prevent abuse of power and authority.

  What Bill did served to protect the children (we all know that) but it can be said that the way he obtained the conversation was "questionable."

  This is where I drop the issue because its gotten way too hot for me to handle. So someone else can pick it up now.

  jerome
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  Question about WT study.

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read a thread recently where syn was discussing a watchtower book study.. is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?.

  was syn neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?.

  because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging.

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  jerome

  Thanks or the replies so far.

  Could someone tell me how do they discourage the independant thinking?

  jerome
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  Question about WT study.

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read a thread recently where syn was discussing a watchtower book study.. is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?.

  was syn neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?.

  because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging.

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  jerome

  I knew that someone would bring up the repition of basic concepts as a fundamential characteristic of totalitarian sect indoctrination but I rember doing the same thig at school:

  2 1's are 2
  2 into 2, 1

  2 2's are 4
  2 into 4, 2

  2 3's are 6
  2 into 6, 3

  ...

  My point is can you think of any group or belief system that dosent encourage constant repition of their principles so that you can rember them?

  If youre an athelete dont you have to memorize plays?

  As far as I can see the main difference is that the Witnesses are repeating ideas that are wrong.

  So do all groups whether constructive or destructive use indoctrination?

  jerome
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  Question about WT study.

  by jerome in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i read a thread recently where syn was discussing a watchtower book study.. is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?.

  was syn neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?.

  because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging.

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  jerome

  I read a thread recently where SYN was discussing a Watchtower Book study.

  Is it really true that they ask you the questions at the end of the chapter and make you restate the a few sentences directly from the few paragraphs that you just read as the anwser?

  Was SYN neglecting anything of importance that would be needed to make a more accurate assesment of the situation?

  Because reading back something that youve just read dosent sound very challenging. So I figure that theres probally more to it than what i read.

  And could someone comment more on the general procedures at the meeting so I could get a better picture? So far it dosent sound too much different from ordinary church.

  jerome
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  I have mp3 audio of Dateline

  by mikepence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  but i need a place i can upload it to.

  i need to be able to upload through my browser, not ftp or email.. anyone have a place i can send it so that others can hear it?.

  mike pence

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  jerome

  Can anyone split the mp3 file into 2 parts [15min segments] so that i can download it?

  2 5.5 meg files would be great.

  jerome
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  I have mp3 audio of Dateline

  by mikepence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  but i need a place i can upload it to.

  i need to be able to upload through my browser, not ftp or email.. anyone have a place i can send it so that others can hear it?.

  mike pence

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  jerome

  Mabe you could try Angelfire.--- But that would cause some download problems with all the people that would want to get at it. But still try for now. All you have to do is signup for a new account.

  Go to http://www.jwinfoline.com and email the webmaster and see if you could get something done.

  I think 11 megs is way to large to email someone but what I was thinking is that you upload it to angelfire first and then let someone with a proper server download it and host it.

  jerome
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  I have mp3 audio of Dateline

  by mikepence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  but i need a place i can upload it to.

  i need to be able to upload through my browser, not ftp or email.. anyone have a place i can send it so that others can hear it?.

  mike pence

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  jerome

  How large is the file?

  Do you have broadband?

  jerome
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  YOU KNOW...a moment please?

  by FRUSR8TD in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  to date i can honestly boast that my apostate enemies have failed to present any challenge which i have not been able to refute using the word of my god.. ok while i am not an apostate (never set foot in a kh)...i did have a talk with an elder with some evidence that though the gb does not claim to be inspired....they have in fact done just that.

  i could see the wheels in his head trying to explain this away as he read it about 15 times over...in the end he just changed the subject in classic jw form.

  here is what i showed him..... july 1 1943 watchtower.

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  jerome

  When I ask these kind of questions I usually get the reply:

  There are certain things which are not directly stated in the Bible but they are implyed. [ Place example of something not directly stated but obviously implied here]
  So you see...They werent claiming to be inspired.

  jerome

  The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.