Posts by TTWSYF

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sibblings not attending daughters wedding

by focariedu21 in

jw
friends

hi guys hope your all doing well, as you may recall my daughter is getting married soon in a couple of weeks in fact and we're inactive jws haven't been to a meeting for many years so we're pretty much like dead spiritually in the eyes of jws and my sibblings.

these are the same guys that refused to take care of mum and dad when she was alive and took me to court revoking my power of attorney and eventually placing mum and dad in a home and died soon after.

we dont speak to each other any longer as they ddestroyed everything i loved.

TTWSYF

My JW brother wouldn't attend any services for my dead grandparents, wouldn't attend any of my childrens baptisms and won't attend my parents funerals when that happens unless something drastic happens.

THE TRUTH....right?

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

ixthis -I'm sicere insomuch as I have had JWs asking me 'Who brings you the bible?' 'Who is going door to door with the scriptures?'

When I reply that the bible is a catholic book and that JWs come to the door with the watchtower, I get a queer look from them.

When I ask 'why do you go door to door with a catholic book, I get a queer look.

When I ask why JWs look back to the dark ages and dump on The Church, but will not look 75 years back in JW history, I get a queer look.

When I ask 'why did Jesus look at all the churches back in 1914 to find who was giving spiritual food when he promised that HIS church would last for all ages?' I get a queer look.

When I mention that the apostles baptised entire families and households at once. I get a queer look.

It seems like there is a lot of 'queerness' in the WTS doctrines.

I'm trying to find something that they believe that is true, I mean, come on, even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

The JWs gave us the bible, didn't they?

Yes, I'm almost certain that is the message that they try to send.

And they are the only true Christians,

They are the prophet of God

ANd they love you,

And the check is in the mail,

And I promise not to -=? in your mouth

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Also worth mentioning that I hear often from JW apologists and Catholic haters that the church fathers were Greeks and pagans worshipers and other such nonsense. Once you are repend and are converted, what difference does your former faith make?

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Almost all of the early church fathers believed in reincarnation. Ever read Clement's Homilies and Recognitions? How does that fit in with the doctrines of the Catholic Church?

Got any specific examples? A quote with a page number and book title perhaps please?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Agreed JGNAT.

The writting of the CHurch Fathers are historical texts, aren;t they? There are plenty of those around

Also, I like your chart, but I couldn't open the link. I wanted to see where they got their dates from, but

Source, SynKobiety doesn;t seem to open. Is it from a university?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

There is certainly a lot of mis-information going around and it can be tough for those of us who are not scholars to figure all this out. The good news is that there is plenty of history that can be confirmed. There are true scholarly resources that can be accessed by all.

The writtings of the Church Fathers are a huge source that should not be ignored by any Christains. There are many complete writtings available that make their positions quite clear and explicit. You won't find these ideas being explicitly discribed in the scriptures because the CHurch was evolving. ie- In the Gospels you read of Jesus being baptised by John the baptist. He was 30 years old or so when this happened. Many on this board and others throughout the world use Jesus's example of being much older when being baptised. After Jesus died [and rose and accended to heaven] the apostles had changed baptism to now being baptised 'in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.' We also see that now entire families and entire households are being baptised immediately and at once. The point is that the early church did evolve and right there is an example.

IXTHIS make the point that is ignored by many here. That is the quote from MATT 16;18 & 19 too when Jesus said 'And I tell you, that you are Peter, and on this rock I shall build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.' And in 19 Peter is given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. No other apostle is given this role. How many churches did Jesus build?

Peter was the leader of the apostles and the scriptural proof is undenieable. He's the only one to walk on water [if only briefly],

in Acts 15 during the only scriptural account of any councils [the Jerusalem Council] it was Peter who presided. not James, the bishop of Jerusalem.

He was the first to refute doctrinal heresy and errors [acts 8 ;14-24]

Peter is listed as the 1st apostle [MATT 10;2] and in every list of the apostles, Peter is listed first.

He works the first miracle after Pentecost [acts 3 ;6-12]

The first to preach repentance and baptism [acts 2;38]

Is referred to as leader by an angel of the Lord [Mark 16;7]

In John 21 ;15-17 we read that Jesus asks Peter to feed his sheep.

Luke 22;32 Jesus prays that Peter's faith would be strong so that he could in turn strengthen the other apostles' faith.

Just a few examples of his authority according to the scriptures.

Now to say that this is not true today is to say that Jesus is a liar or atleast a fool that couldn't build his church right. That it would fall into ruin, that he built his church on sand like the fool in his parables that got his house washed away.

You may not like it, but the Catholic church is The Church that Christ started, and it is still there as Jesus promised, for all ages, not some ages.

respectfully,

dc

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How would you respond to this JW apologist??

by Black Man in

jw
friends

hey all - as some of you may know, i've been engaged in a pretty big debate with family members as well as internet acquaintances over whether the jw's are a cult.

thanks to everyone who have posted links to threads that have helped me in my dialogue with them - its actually working.

the latest is that one of the posters i've been dialoging and he says that agrees with me on many points but he brought up the following response and i ask (how would you respond to this) that i have posted below (by the way, the person he references as gq is me - its my username on that web site):.

TTWSYF

Someone did a post a month or so ago about 'proof that the WTS is a cult' or some other such topic title. It went onto say that a JW strong in the faith would speak to you about any of your doubts about Jehovah, but would get elders involved if you spoke of any doubts about the WTS.

That struck me as awful. It reminded me of stories of friend that couldn't talk to each other anymore because one was dfed. daed, dqed, what ever. Groups that control your life to that degree are control groups. Not Christian groups imo.

dc

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Are most JW families dysfunctional?

by 21stcenturywoman in

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based on certain families who i've known personally in the "truth", there was infidelity which resulted in children out of wedlock, drug abuse, abortion (involving an elder's teenager), verbal, emotional, & physical abuse (by parents and spouses), and dependence on public assistance.

TTWSYF

Yes, most JW families are dysfunctional, as are most Mormon families, as are most Muslim families, as are most Catholic families, as are most American families, European, Asian, Indian, Slavician, Canadian, Mexican, Brazialian, etc, etc, etc.

just my humble opinion

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

wow, away for a few days and look what happened to this tread.