half banana says
the only joy of being a JW was the great pleasure of stopping.
If you want a normal life, avoid Jehovah's Witnesses like you would the plague.
I say 'well said'
being born in to me was devastating.
when you are a child born in and raised with the they vs us and they are evil and worldly and going to die.
not allowed to form relationships with anyone not one of you.
half banana says
the only joy of being a JW was the great pleasure of stopping.
If you want a normal life, avoid Jehovah's Witnesses like you would the plague.
I say 'well said'
being born in to me was devastating.
when you are a child born in and raised with the they vs us and they are evil and worldly and going to die.
not allowed to form relationships with anyone not one of you.
Ya think? How was mental growth not stunted? Don't ask questions. Everyone else is gonna die at Armageddon, everyone else is controlled by Satan and is trying to lead you astray. Don;t try to learn from any other sources but us. WE HAVE THE TRUTH.
I could go on for days, but my point is made
The Truth Will Set You Free
despite the scriptures instructing christians to witness for christ, and not for god.... matthew 10:18; mark 13:9; luke 24:48; john 1:15; 5:37; john 8:18; john 15:26, 27; .
acts 1:8; 9:15,16; 10:39; 10:43; 13:31; 22:15; 22:20; 23:11; 26:16; 1 cor.
1:6; 1 tim.
The problem with the WTS/Jehovahs Witnesses is that they MUST lie to assert an authority that they do not possess, The reason that their teachings change so often is because when new people get control of the governing body, they interpret scriptures with their own personal views and promote those flawed views in AWAKE and THE WATCHTOWER. That is why they follow a rigorous regiment of revisionist history not only of the scriptures, but also of their own short and complicated history.
How do we know this? Because Jesus inspected all the churches in 1914 and found..blah, blah, blah.
Really? Says who? An organization that was founded in America some 150 years ago? From a snake oil salesman who didn't like the idea of hell. Guess what, not one likes the idea of hell. Doesn't mean that it doesn;t exist.
A better question as to who has the authority to interpret the bible has everything to do with simple, common sense.
Who gave the world the bible and promoted it as the word of God? A_The Catholic Church
Why did they compile the bible? A_To use in their liturgical practices
Why would you listen to someone elses' interpretation? A_ Because you've been duped
What about the Great Apostasy? A_Never happened, just another JW lie
The bible states unequivocally that Jesus commissioned the apostles to build HIS Church. A Church to Jesus, hence the term "Christianity" and not "Jehovahanity"
at least for you personally, .
the pope, ex cathedra?, infallibly?
* has changes the wording of the lord's prayer from "-lead us not into temptation -" to -let us not fall into temptation.
Changing scriptural interpretations is a necessity for accurate knowledge in my opinion. Reading the King James version in the 21st century does not translate accurately in today's vernacular, so an adjustment is correct.
An example could be something as simple as changing 'betrothed' to 'engaged' like in the example of Joseph and Mary. Betrothed is a word that does not have a modern use in the west these days so engaged is probably a better word.
As far as which list of biblical books to use, you have to ask 'How does one have the authority to decide which books belong and do not belong?'
I go to the source. To the people who gave the world the bible and take their authority over someone else who has no such authority to decide which books to include or not include.
For the record, I do not accept the WTS as an authentic source or authority...
Who gave the world the bible again? Why was it written? To be a guide for Christianity or for some other reason?
as i said i have only seen two episodes so far and by what i have seen and what limited information i have with that and the japanese nuclear accident problem i know of i don`t want any nuclear reactors anywhere here on australian soil .. i think it has only been by pot luck that a disaster of major proportions has been avoided.. and that is not good enough .. we have had two warnings with chenobyl and japan ,what will the third one tell us ?.
i would appreciate your comments.
this should also be on social /politics .
I saw the whole series and thought it was very well done. Jared Harris and Skarskard were terrific. I was living in West Germany during the mid 80s and we knew more about the accident than most in the Soviet Union.
Mistakes were certainly made. It's a mini series worth watching
imho
TTWSYF
when the emperor constantine legalized christianity in the roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become.
many people here know that to be a fact.
it's a common sense theory, right?.
Thank you all for some thoughtful answers.
So far the consensus is that there never was a great apostasy from the universal church.
No proof what so ever, correct?
TTWSYF
on the last day, jesus returns, and 8,000,000 jehovah's witnesses are shocked that he didn't return invisibly.
remembering the account of stephen, they know if they can see him, they can speak directly to him, so they line up proudly to be rewarded for all they've done for his brothers.. "lord, lord," they happily cry out, "just look what all we have done in your name!".
"i know," jesus says, "i saw.
Jesus said to obey everything that he commanded, not just a few things that people thought were more important than other things.
MATT 28- 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age
Is there an organization that does ALL that Jesus commanded? I know for a fact that it isn't the WTS
when the emperor constantine legalized christianity in the roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become.
many people here know that to be a fact.
it's a common sense theory, right?.
When the emperor Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined Christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become. Many people here know that to be a fact. It's a common sense theory, right?
Historically speaking, there are some 30,000 pages or so of written Christian history predating 311, so you can look back to the 1st century and see where the church was and then walk it to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th centuries all the way up to the 21st century. You can clearly see the shift in Christ;s teachings, right?
I have not found any evidence of this 'great apostasy'. I have found many examples of people who wanted it to be true and would promote the idea based solely on emotion, but no proof at all what so ever.
If the great apostasy happened, you could say 'here, on this date [or year] this person/people changed the teachings and turned away from the true Christianity. I'm looking for someone to give a clear example of this apostasy that ruined Christianity.
thoughts?
TTWSYF
they can edit their own versions to conform to their doctrines but what's stopping people to hand flyers or glue posters with the actual quotes in contradiction to their statements?.
examples:.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-the-holy-spirit/ - http://archive.is/778ch .
the longer i’m out the more i feel that disfellowshipping is cruel.
i understand the organization tells parents to not even accept emails or texts from their disfellowshipped children.
while i was a witness they tried to discourage families from association but there was some leeway if it was considered necessary business to interact.
No, it is not bad at all. Because you can choose to remedy that. It is up to you to get reinstated and the shunning will stop.
How does one remedy the org's habit of lying about everything?