My favorite is Theocratic warfare aka 'Lying for the truth'
Posts by TTWSYF
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19Words, phrases ,that do not appear in the Christian Greek Scriptures /New Testament that Jehovah`s Witnesses use.
by smiddy3 inwhere does one begin ?.
jehovah`s witnesses pride themselves as being a bible based religion ,that their beliefs and practices are all bible based ?.
words & phrases jehovah`s witnesses use or have used that are not in the bible.. organization.
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Can You Name ANYTHING That Jehovah’s Witnesses Have Been Right About?
by minimus inregarding prophecies, i can’t name one thing jws have been correct about.
as a matter of fact nothing stands out to me that shows the witnesses have the truth..
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That the bible is the word of God...of course, they're just regurgitating what the Catholics say about THEIR own book.
AND that the end is near. I mean, it is near for us all.
But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
'No one gets out of here alive' Jim Morrison
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Watchtower said " Worship Jesus"
by UnDisfellowshipped in"make sure of all things" book, page 85, column 1:
" (matt.
in the revelation, which god gave jesus, the pure worship is shown as due to be given to the most high god, jehovah.
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Agreed, most would not know what you're speaking about.
Most don't go beyond 'bible=the word of God'
Who wrote the NT? Who specifically where the writers?
Why did they write the NT? There was a specific reason...and it was not to write a guide to Christianity.
Who specifically taught the writers of the NT?
These questions are never asked or answered in JW land.
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A Serial Pooper Caught Defecating In Massachusetts Parking Lot!
by minimus inafter at least 8 excrement findings, police in massachusetts finally caught this woman who would poop in a parking lot and leave her crap as well as some tissues.
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i just thought you should know about this 💩.
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Hence the expression "Masshole"
Thought that was because of their driving though
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My wife and I have begun our fade
by James Jack ini haven’t posted in awhile.
my wife asked me after the year 2000 came and went without fanfare(because the wt organization said all the “new world” would be here within this 20th century would end), “ what would it take for you to leave the truth?”.
my reply was “ if i turn 60 in this “system of things”.
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Very true Giodano! We are all born to die. If Jesus died AND he defeated death, should stand to reason that we too would have to die...just like every other thing that has ever lived.
James Jack7 hours ago
I was always wired to live, not die. The thought of dying had never been in my vocabulary and scares the sh_t out of me!
Some day you'll laugh at yourself for thinking that you would never die. Such a dishonest and destructive cult...
Go forward with freedom
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Did you know that Jane Roe of Roe v. Ray was raised a Jehovah's Witness?
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://observer.case.edu/editorial-reproductive-rights-are-human-rights/?fbclid=iwar1gip_xy4dkz-kepsa8qts72a5_upgeabcrduriit7dsi-iysqnmwxtztk.
editorial: reproductive rights are human rights.
lorie shaull.
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UTR- Yes, she was quite vocal and adamant in her reversal position of being the Roe. I remember reading that she thought of it as her worst lifelong mistake. How many millions of children were aborted at US tax payer expense? How many regrets from mothers and fathers whom later were parents...or were not parents?
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I'm no scholar, but it does appear that right out of the gate, the WTS took liberties in translating the scriptures. Pretty sure no scholar would translate the spririt of God as his active force....
Genesis1:1-31
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What’s Your Favorite Breakfast??
by minimus into me, breakfast can be served at any time of the day.
a local bar in my area serves breakfast all day long.
for 5 bucks you get 2 eggs any way you like, bacon sausage or ham with home fries and toast!!
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omelettes cooked to order from an omelet station at a hotel, on a cruise, where ever
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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?
by BourneIdentity inin the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.
we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.
why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?
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Hi GG, Sorry for the delay. I am not always on this site. I reply below, not to get in a he said/she said back and forth thing. I reply only to clarify my position. There are too many reasons for why I believe what I believe. There's no 'only one reason'. There are many, too many for you not to believe.
Ever hear of the 'Miracle of the Sun' Happened in Fatima, Portugal Oct 13, 1917. Some 60.000 firsthand witnesses to the event. All types of folks. Not one denied what they saw. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
Giles reply to [in italics] see the difference between on being martyred for ones beliefs as opposed to being martyred for what YOU witnessed,
I agree that there would be a profound difference between the two positions. A first hand account is about the best evidence one could get. So I’m more than happy to concede that point.
However, this distinction still doesn’t help substantiate your original claim… that the manner of their martyrdom proves that God and the bible are true.
So, I never said that the martyrdom of these witnesses proves that God and the bible are true. My position was/is that their martyrdom DOES prove that Jesus Christ DID rise from the grave because of their testimony. For the exact same reason that you gave "A first hand account is about the best evidence one could get. So I’m more than happy to concede that point."
So maybe we agree that their martyrdom could be proof of the resurrection? I accept it as true because of their testimony.
Premise 1: The apostles and hundreds of other people witnessed first hand Jesus being resurrected and, as a result, went on to die horrific deaths as martyrs because of the conviction of what they had seen.
I would agree
Premise 2: ONLY people with the conviction of firsthand experiences would ever allow themselves to suffer such horrific martyrdom.
I wouldn't agree with ONLY, but I think if it were NOT true, someone would have said 'ok, ok, it's a lie'
Conclusion: The ONLY explanation for these people allowing themselves to die in such a manner would be if Jesus had actually risen, therefore the god of the bible exists. Is this a fair representation of your argument?
No, not a fair representation. The resurrection account is only 1 piece of a tapestry that gives my faith conviction or confidence. The bible is not the start all/end all of Christianity. The bible is just a book. Christianity was up and running for 3 1/2 centuries before the bible cannon was completely confirmed. Most biblical scholars put the letters and Gospels and such of the NT written within a generation to a generation and a half after the resurrection. First 75 years or so after Jesus's death and resurrection. They were busy loving their neighbors and ALL that they did could not possibly fit in a book. Just as it couldn't dare to contain the whole of Jesus' life and all of Christianity. In my somewhat bold opinion anyway...
Respectfully,
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For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?
by BourneIdentity inin the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.
we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.
why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?
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Giles Gray2 days ago
This line of reasoning is used by nearly all judeo-christian theologies in order to substantiate their faith. It utilises a logical fallacy known as the Argument from Ignorance.
The fallacious nature of this argument is clearly demonstrated by the fact that Muslims and Mormons can also employ the same false reasoning to uphold their competing theologies.
I am not citing all early Christian martyrs, I am only citing the witnesses of Jesus resurrection who were martyred for what they witnessed and would not recant. That is the diff. JW martyrs exist because they believe not to take blood and they die for their beliefs. Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist martyrs have died for their beliefs, but the examples that I am citing were witnesses. That is why you cannot cite false reasoning or say that it is an argument of ignorance. That doesn't fly for the examples that I cite.
It is also incorrect to presume that the first century martyrs knowingly died for a lie. The fact that they died by such gruesome executions indicates the extent of their conviction in what they believed.
Yes, my point exactly, they did not die for a lie. They would have not died for a lie, if they did, then they were the ones lying. They were the start of the Christian faith. A faith that the authorities did not want to continue.
However, this only goes to demonstrate the folly of using faith as a metric to assess what is truth. Faith allows people to hold conviction in their beliefs without sufficient evidence. As a result, people have died because of holding fast to a belief based on poor epistemology.
Again, they were not martyred because of the conviction of their faith, they were martyred because they witnesses the risen Lord and would not recant or deny what they had witnessed.
Being martyred because of adhering to faulty premises only reveals the fallibility of religious conviction. People can die for being mistaken, which is certainly no indication that what they died for is true. Therefore the martyrdom of the first century Christians can hardly be used as evidence that what they believed in was truth.
Too many witnesses for being mistaken. Many of these people were considered a lower class of society. Fishermen, tax collectors, beggars, women, etc. Yet they all held onto their witnessing of the risen Lord.
" Although both were martyrs, there's a major difference when you are a witness and know that it is false."
Such evidence can only be considered anecdotal and is impossible to distinguish from folklore. That's still not sufficient evidence for God.
This evidence is anything but anecdotal or folklore. There are thousands of pages written about these events.
The above statement negates the unfalsifyiable claim that the martyrdom of the first century Christians can in any way be considered as evidence that the god of the bible exists. If believers of other theologies can have faith based on false beliefs, it leaves us no methodology in order to be able to distinguish the early Christians from any other believer.
Nothing to do with the bible or even religion. Has all to do with what they saw and how they would die rather than say they didn't see it with their own eyes..
For example, the prophet Muhammad many times witnessed an Angelophany as well as many other miracles. He also died a martyr.
The faith of Islam and classic Christianity contradict each other in many ways, yet by the above reckoning they both equally tick the criteria that qualifies as evidence of their gods. This way of reasoning is therefore irreconcilable and defies the laws of logic.
The only way to prove either theological claim would be to supply sufficient evidence to demonstrate that the claim was factual. Therefore, testimony from either of the religious fables cannot be considered as evidence, because they both meet the required criteria while at the same time prove contradictory to each other.
As there is no contemporary evidence to substantiate that the early Christians did actually witness the resurrection of Jesus, (a point equally applicable to the assertions surrounding the prophet of Islam) the testimony of their claim cannot be verified one way or the other. It therefore cannot be considered evidence for God.
Many of the early church fathers speak about the witnesses of Christ's resurrection. Thousands of pages are available. Frankly, though, if one cannot see the difference between on being martyred for ones beliefs as opposed to being martyred for what YOU witnessed, then I am only wasting typing time here.