Posts by TTWSYF

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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TTWSYF

Can we change the opening topic from 'Scriptures that don't fit WT theology' to 'Scriptures that don't fit WT and Blotty's theology"? lol

Blotty, I think you need to check out what the scriptures actually say opposed to what you have learned through questionable sources. Please see below the passages of John 14;17 that I got from biblehub. This is a listing of numerous bible translations from scholarly sources. They do not list the NWT nor does any other scholarly sources because that translation is not 'the most accurate translation' by any means.

John 14:17 ►

CLA LIT CAT ARA STR

Modern Translations

New International Version
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

New Living Translation
He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.

English Standard Version
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Berean Study Bible
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

New American Standard Bible
the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.

NASB 1995
that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

NASB 1977
that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.

Amplified Bible
the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive [and take to its heart] because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He (the Holy Spirit) remains with you continually and will be in you.

Christian Standard Bible
He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive him because it doesn’t see him or know him. But you do know him, because he remains with you and will be in you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive Him because it doesn't see Him or know Him. But you do know Him, because He remains with you and will be in you.

Contemporary English Version
The Spirit will show you what is true. The people of this world cannot accept the Spirit, because they don't see or know him. But you know the Spirit, who is with you and will keep on living in you.

Good News Translation
He is the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God. The world cannot receive him, because it cannot see him or know him. But you know him, because he remains with you and is in you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.

International Standard Version
He is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor recognizes him. But you recognize him, because he lives with you and will be in you.

NET Bible
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

Classic Translations

King James Bible
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

New King James Version
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

King James 2000 Bible
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

New Heart English Bible
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive; because it neither sees him nor knows him; but you know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

World English Bible
the Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

American King James Version
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

American Standard Version
even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

A Faithful Version
Even the Spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive because it perceives it not, nor knows it; but you know it because it dwells with you, and shall be within you.

Darby Bible Translation
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him nor know him; but ye know him, for he abides with you, and shall be in you.

English Revised Version
even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

Webster's Bible Translation
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and will be in you.

Early Modern

Geneva Bible of 1587
Euen the Spirit of trueth, whome the world can not receiue, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye knowe him: for he dwelleth with you, and shalbe in you.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
Euen the spirite of trueth, whom the worlde can not receaue, because the worlde seeth hym not, neither knoweth hym. But ye knowe hym: For he dwelleth with you, and shalbe in you.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
euen ye sprete of trueth, whom ye worlde can not receaue, for it seyth him not, nether doth it knowe him: but ye knowe him, for he abydeth wt you, & shalbe in you

Tyndale Bible of 1526
which is the sprete of truthe whome the worlde canot receave because the worlde seyth him not nether knoweth him. But ye knowe him. For he dwelleth with you and shalbe in you.

Literal Translations

Literal Standard Version
the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see nor know [this] One, and you know [this] One, because [this] One remains with you, and will be in you.

Berean Literal Bible
the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see Him nor know. But you know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.

Young's Literal Translation
the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

Smith's Literal Translation
The Spirit of truth; which the world cannot receive, for it sees it not, neither knows: and ye know it; for it shall remain with you, and shall be in you.

Literal Emphasis Translation
The Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive because it does not behold nor know Him. You know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.

Catholic Translations

Douay-Rheims Bible
The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.

Catholic Public Domain Version
the Spirit of Truth, whom the world is not able to accept, because it neither perceives him nor knows him. But you shall know him. For he will remain with you, and he will be in you.

Translations from Aramaic

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“He is The Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it has neither seen him nor known him; but you know him, for he dwells with you and he is in you.”

Lamsa Bible
Even the Spirit of the truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it has not seen him, and does not know him; but you know him because he abides with you, and is in you.

NT Translations

Anderson New Testament
the Spirit of the truth, whom the world can not receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, because he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

Godbey New Testament
the Spirit of truth: which the world is not able to receive, because it does not see Him, nor know Him: you know Him: because He abideth with you, and shall be in you.

Haweis New Testament
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; because he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Mace New Testament
even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees nor knows him: but ye shall know him, for he shall dwell with you, and shall be in you.

Weymouth New Testament
That Spirit the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. You know Him, because He remains by your side and is in you.

Worrell New Testament
the Spirit of truth, Whom the world cannot receive, because it beholds Him not, neither knows Him: ye know Him, because He abideth with you, and will be in you.

Worsley New Testament
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, because He abideth with you, and shall be in you.

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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TTWSYF

Blotty, I am only listing scriptures that are in keeping with the tread. If you want to open a trinitarian tread, I will reply.

That said

Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

This says that God [the Father] dwells in believers.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

This says that HE, the holy ghost, dwells in believers.

I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

This passage says that Jesus dwells in believers.

TTWSYF

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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TTWSYF

Who raised Jesus?

New International Version
Paul, an apostle--sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.

New International Version

and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

These 2 passages say that God raised Jesus from the dead.

New International Version
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

This passage says that the Holy Ghost raised Jesus.

New International Version
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

This passage says that Jesus raised himself.

TTWSYF

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Should Jehovah's Witnesses Trust the Governing Body?

by Vanderhoven7 in

if there is evidence that jesus invisibly chose specific men at headquarters in brooklyn new york in 1919 to be his faithful slave and that mandate and ability passed on to future directors...then the answer might just be a resounding maybe.. what is the evidence for this invisible appointment and what is the evidence that this is just watchtower mythology?.

i hope jws like scholar and fisherman will explain why the trust the gb.. i must be honest, i see no evidence at all to put trust in either the 1919 selection or the current men taking the lead in warwick.

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TTWSYF

To me it's a question of authority. Who has the authority to teach what the bible actually is?

Is it these men in Brooklyn? How or why? They didn't choose the books that the bible contains, did they?

Isn't it right to go to where the bible came from to get an accurate teaching?

The fact is that the bible is a catholic book. The books contained in the bible were voted on by way of a council of catholic bishops, Several councils in fact voted on which books should be included and which ones should be deleted.

source-google, msn and other internet providers.

The Truth Will Set You Free

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Living your life according to the bible

by TTWSYF in

i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

ttwsyf.

TTWSYF

So to answer one who agrees the subject title

Bluesbrother wrote

Uncountable numbers of people have endeavoured to live their lives according to Scriptures.

That may or may not be true. Can you site an example of any religious organization [prior to the WTS] promoting that practice? I have not found this teaching anywhere in history prior to the 19th century American bible boom. Please cite any examples that I may have missed.

I would cite the family of Jesus who made the sacrifices, observed the festivals etc of the Jewish scriptures. I can’t imagine Joseph being unscrupulous in his dealings with others . In the early Christian world a lot met their death in the arena rather than violate their beliefs

Living according to righteousness is NOT strictly living according to the scriptures.

The scriptures in Jesus's time [and today too] were read aloud in worship at the Synagogue through today in Church[s]. It was never a complete guide to faithful life. It included worship,a record of history of a race of people, a guide on cleansing and diet. Laws , etc

Today millions of Christian people believe they are living the right way , the trouble is the application of Bible principles. e.g. A JW would not vote or stand for office because he must be “ no part of the world “ . However , a Mormon may tell you that it is Christian duty to do so , for the good of the community.

History teached all the way back to the apostles that the right way to live as a Christian is to do ALL that Jesus instructed us to do. Jesus NEVER said look to the scriptures as a guide for living, he DID say to do all that he told us to.

TTWSYF

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Living your life according to the bible

by TTWSYF in

i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

ttwsyf.

TTWSYF

sorry, meant TBK

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Living your life according to the bible

by TTWSYF in

i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

ttwsyf.

TTWSYF

TNK,

Jesus read the scriptures in the synagogue while teaching. OT was available and widely circulated during Jesus's life.

He read and told his 'congregation' that the scriptures he read one day referred to himself. His congregation wanted to kill him immediately after as I recall

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Living your life according to the bible

by TTWSYF in

i have heard it said [numerous times] that jws live their life according to the bible.. i have also heard [numerous times] that jws have restored the correct christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic].

my question is 'is there any proof anywhere in history where jewish or christian people lived their life according to the scriptures?".

ttwsyf.

TTWSYF

I have heard it said [numerous times] that JWs live their life according to the bible.

I have also heard [numerous times] that JWs have restored the correct Christian practice following the great apostasy [?which is a different topic]

My question is 'Is there any proof anywhere in history where Jewish or Christian people lived their life according to the Scriptures?"

Thanks,

TTWSYF

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Prayer for every day

by May1981 in

i pray for every person in the world.

you can also join my prayer.

and may the creator hear our prayers.

TTWSYF

HI May, Welcome!

I'm in. Prayers for the whole world is good [real] Christian thing!

The Truth Will Set You Free

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Did you at one time Believe-that you were not going to die. Does your still in JW spouse still believe?

by pistolpete in

this magazine says it all!.

and many of the older jws believed at one point in their life that they would make it through the great tribulation and into the 1000 year reign of christ without dying.

which is why so many jws stayed in so long.. is the main reason why jws ignore all the child abuse, the end of door to door service, and the closing of kingdom hall for almost two years----because they still believe they will not die?.

TTWSYF

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STRAW ON THE PILE THAT PROVES HOW #^*%ING RIDICULOUS THIS SECT IS.

Imagine thinking that you won't die. How can anyone forget that every living thing on this planet has a life span. Lives and dies, but some liar sold folks on this bullshit. Unbelievable really,.It really is.

Right up there with 'we live our life according to the bible". Who does that? The scriptures aren't a guide to how to live. It was ALWAYS used liturgically for worship, not as a guide on what to do. Too many examples of what not to do to be a guide.

TTWSYF