my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
I guess it was 'contradicting truth' lying to SS soldiers to keep them from rounding up Dubs for the concentrating camps. You're right, I guess I don't get it.
Well, that is people lying to protect themselves, is it not? You spoke of governments lying to protect secrets. That's more like SS troops telling the Jews, JWs, Gypsies, Catholics, artists, musicians etc etc that they were being bathed, not gassed.
my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
The apologist side of me thinks it's no different than if you love your country and work for the CIA and are caught by the enemy.
You would naturally protect State secrets because of loyalty and you definitely would never voluntarily divulge any information.
God's truth could never be considered to be like state secrets. Goverments have state secrets and governments kill to keep state secrets, don't they? I guess I don't seed the logic in that explanation.
if fractions of blood are now allowed,.
by the same reasoning what fractions of fornication can i have?.
wrong answer TTWSWY if you follow WT reasoning! My bro and his family were converted to JWs and baptised for some 20 years. I was not going to become a Catholic apostate. I am still a Catholic. I know, I know that's my problem.
my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
Yet, jws are told not to lie in court...but they can lie to other jws.
and to prospective converts too or to anyone who finds scriptual contridictions with the Watchtower promoted 'truths' it seems. If I'm wrong, please let me know. Thanks
dc
if fractions of blood are now allowed,.
by the same reasoning what fractions of fornication can i have?.
fornacation outside of a marrige well, yes. You are entitled to enjoy your spouse. that is why Paul speaks of those who have the fire [of passion] should marry and those who can live as he did should live without a spouse to give your all to the Lord. Right?
my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open." (Mt 7:6) That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. (Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10)
Yes, but those 'holy pearls' are examples of truth and not of lies, are they not? Doesn't that example show that you shouldn't waste speaking the truth on dogs or pigs? I don't see how that could be showing how you should 'lie for the truth'.
dc
my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
How could God, who hates lies and liars, possibly charge his sole channel of communication such a thing?!
if fractions of blood are now allowed,.
by the same reasoning what fractions of fornication can i have?.
The bible states that fornacation outside of a marrige is/was and will always be wrong. There is no such command regarding blood transfusions. That is why there are no Jewish groups that forbid the practice of blood transfusions.
dc
my bro introduced me to a concept called 'lying for the truth'.
is that actually something that the watchtower promotes?
talk about a contridiction, i didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so.
My bro introduced me to a concept called 'Lying for the Truth'. Is that actually something that the Watchtower promotes? Talk about a contridiction, I didn't think it could be true that such a practice would be tolerated, but he says so. Anyone else hear of such nonsense from the Watchtower?!
dc
i was in for 30 years.....my ex was an elder...."holy spirit appointed" he tortured me....i was married 33+ years....you know,,,marriage is sacred...you can leave,,,i know,,,,if abuse is intolerable....but that starts a series of events...etc etc etc....i finally left everything...and moved far away.....people actually believe "holy spirit" appoints people,,,my ex would not pray unless there was an audience...you know,,,,people invited over for supper kind of thing,,,you get the point..... my best friend had a mental breakdown,,,,she basically became psychotic.....had to be hospitalized....she took up smoking,,,got disfellowshipped...and lost all emotional support....to this day,,,,as far as i know,,,she is still disfellowshipped...needs to be hospitialized every so often....she is on complete disability.....and still trying to get back into the org....her mother does support some what,,,,even though she is a witness herself,,,,,takes her to assemblies,,,,memorial,,,etc,,,,this has gone on for years.....she cannot mentally handle the organization,,,nor can she mentally handle not being a witness...lost everything....guilt....etc..... did not mean to ramble on so much......i have mental scars that will not go away....because i stayed in a "mess" for god,,,,i could write page after page of things like the above....as being my "last straw".......curious about you here on the board....any specific "breaking point" or a collection of many things..... thanks for your in put...peaches.
I'm not a JW and never have been, but my bro is and has been for 20+ years. He and his family [wife and 2 kids]. Nothing has gone right for them since being baptised as JWs. Every decision has been a train wreck from home schooling, to his business (he owned a successful business), their married life has been full of controvesy, not attending family funerals, being quite judgemental and when I finally learned enough scripture to show how he has been duped, he answered that he didn't care. He didn;t care that he's been lied to for years and that his fruits are falling to the ground and rotting. My prayer is that he will return to our family with his family and we can pray with love, hope and faith for a brighter future......I'm not holding my breath.
dc
