Posts by TTWSYF

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What is the Trinity?

by pirata in

from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/204837/2/if-you-could-ask-one-question-to-an-active-jw-to-get-them-to-open-their-mind-about-their-beliefs-what-would-it-be.

dontplaceliterature re: if you could ask one question to an active jw to get them to open their mind about their beliefs, what would it be?posted ~ 14 hours ago (1/18/2011) .

post 63 of 65. since 12/28/2010.

TTWSYF

All analogies to God break down at some point because God is unique, but the best comparison I have heard is the triple point of a substance.

Good point Ding. I liked your analogie.

Another way that the Trinity could be comprehended could be like comparing God to time. You need a past/present/future for time. You can't really have time without any one of them. All three are concepts of time, all three are separate and equal are they not? Maybe?

The 'Should you believe in the Trinity?' should be removed from circulation as it initially made me look away from my Catholic faith [for years]. I had no quams about this when I thought that the booklet was well researched and it certainly looked it.

Once I researched the facts I got to see how quite despicable and disingenuous the Watchtower was [and still is] in promoting this 'lying for the Truth' propaganda.

sorry if that sounds harsh, but there is no example of an almighty Trinity, eternal and uncreated in any other religous belief. It is not 'borrowed' from any Egyption, Hindu, pagan or Greek myth. All of the church fathers listed in the booklet [sybitt?] believed in Jesus Christ as 'God in the flesh' or 'God with Us'. All listed have complete writtings available.

respectfully,

DC

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Are there any Watchtower prophesies that came true?

by TTWSYF in

i know that the failed predictions of amageddon for 1914, 1918, 1925, during wwii, and 1975 have been well documented here and other places, but are there any [documented] 'prophesies' that actually came true?.

dc.

TTWSYF

I know that the failed predictions of Amageddon for 1914, 1918, 1925, during WWII, and 1975 have been well documented here and other places, but are there any [documented] 'prophesies' that actually came true?

DC

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Jw explanation on Nephilim Gen;6:4 And Numbers 13:33

by jam in

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a few months ago two jw women caught me unexpectedly, so they talk about the.

usual jw none sense.

the nite before i was reading and researching the nephilim.. more proof to disclaim the flood.

TTWSYF

I remember [from Greek Mythology in HS in 1982] that Greek heros were born out of relations from the mythological gods and humans. There is a parallel between these 'men of renown' and Greek heros [Hercules, Archilles, Odysseus, Perseus, Jason, etc].

By believing in the scriptures, I would have to say that my personal belief is that the Greek heros were actually the offspring of the fallen angels and the Nephilim. Of course that could be subject to change as I am enlighten by the studious and scholarly members of JWnet.

sincerely,

dc

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The Doctrine of Hell

by Yizuman in

is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?

many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.

but this dishonors gods word.

TTWSYF

To me, the bible makes total sense. Not that I'm a fundamentalist, but I think of the bible meaning what it says. That Jesus [and others] desended down infers below my feet. Couple that with the scriptural references that hell is at the earths center lead me to believe that [a biblical] hell is at the earths core. I know, it's crazy, but that is what the scriptures say, and the technology to prove or disprove this theory does not yet exist.

An example of the soul/spirit/body differential, in Genesis can easily be explained. God created the world in seven days. Obviously the days are different [longer] where he resides, heaven, [even if he is everywhere]. Adam was the 1st man made with a soul, but the nephilim had already been on the earth and were [more than likely] the humans [with spirit, but not a soul] that the fallen angels had relations with, [as recorded in Genesis].

On the trinity comments, it should be noted that scripture states that Jesus Christ is God, That the Father is God, That the Holy Ghost is God without using the word trinity, it is non the less scripturally inferred. One example is that Jesus orders us to baptise on the name of the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost. One name for the 3 separate beings. Wait for the helper, not wait for help...the Holy Ghost is the Helper.

Of course this is just my own thought process as one must ultimately make a 'leap of faith' when you actually accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. When you know that Jesus would have gone through it all, just for you, even if you were the only person on earth, well, then you've made the leap too!

respectfully,

DC

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The Doctrine of Hell

by Yizuman in

is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?

many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.

but this dishonors gods word.

TTWSYF

These are some physical references of hell. Jesus decended to hell after his death on the cross/torture tree. The following are from the JW bible.

NWT - EPH ch4 vs 9 Now the expression “he ascended,” what does it mean but that he also descended into the lower regions, that is, the earth? 10 The very one that descended is also the one that ascended far above all the heavens, that he might give fullness to all things

N WT - MATH ch12- vs 40 For just as Jo´nah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

respectfully,

DC

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The Doctrine of Hell

by Yizuman in

is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?

many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.

but this dishonors gods word.

TTWSYF

Also worth mentioning that scripture indicates that hell is beneath the earth. Sorry, I don't have the chapt and verse on hand

perhaps Stephen?

dc

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The Doctrine of Hell

by Yizuman in

is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?

many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.

but this dishonors gods word.

TTWSYF

Confutation 1. Where is Hell with a God that is Omnipresent (everywhere).

Designs, That's a good question. I don't have an answer, but I do believe the bible is the word of God...........

so, I guess I believe in hell. As a topic, hell is quite scriptural. It would be contrary to God's justice to think that my ultimate fate would be the same as Adolf Hitler's.

Again, just my humble O.

dc

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The Doctrine of Hell

by Yizuman in

is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?

many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.

but this dishonors gods word.

TTWSYF

Some very funny and interesting posts on this subject. The bottom line is what do you believe? Do you believe the bible is the word of God?

The bible is quite clear that Jesus rose to heaven bodily. He wasn't the only one either, wasn't someone else in the OT taken to heaven on a fiery chariot?

How could he live? I guess with God, all things are possible. Do you believe that bible is the word of God or not.

Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven you know, but if the bible is just an interesting book, then no, there is no hell and Jesus never rose to heaven.

If the bible is the word of God, then, yes, there is a hell for the false prophet, fallen angels and those who refuse their savior.

Just adding my humble opinion.

Dc

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Catholic church secrets that would cause mass panic if came to public knolwage

by Hairyhegoat in

my dad was a catholic and told me many times that the church had secrets stored up regarding the book of reverlation, and if they were to become public knowledge this would cause world panic, do you have any info on this as it's well known in the uk..

TTWSYF

This is the typical bs I hear and read from many Catholic haters. Of course, no proof is ever provided about these rumors. Who creates more fear through the book of revelation than the Watchtower? Who changes scripture and twists it to mean something other than what it says? The bible is a Catholic book. They voted on the canon and they have 2,000 years of bringing it to the people. Conversely, the Watchtower asserts that it has a new and different teaching of Christ Jesus. Totally contridicting the word of God.

I've been away a little while, too bad to hear that some people still equate evil people in the Catholic faith as Catholic teachings. One should look at it's teachings to see the truth, not the sinners in any church. As scripture states, the Church is made up of the good and bad and the Lord will seperate the wheat from the chaffe.

Respectfully,

dc

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IF THE BIBLE is so darned great---why don't people JUST read IT?

by Terry in

working in a bookstore i notice the thousands and thousands of books "explaining" what the bible really "means.".

those are what people read.. when people say they read the bible they are really saying they "try".

but, it is like reading chinese.. so, what they end up doing is reading opinions.. opinions, conjectures, hypothesis, fantasy, imaginative ruminations, fanciful concoctions......other people's ideas presented as documentary fact.. .

TTWSYF

designs, could you be more specific? Where would I find this proof that this was actual Christian teachings. Not some teaching that was voted heresy by a council of elders if you please.

dc