Posts by TTWSYF

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Should Christians Own Dogs as Pets?

by undercover in

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using the wt's "birthday logic" (only two mentions of b-days in the bible, both negative, which means "true christians" do not celebrate them) i wrote this faux wt article about whether true servants of the wt god should really own dogs... i'm no sd-7, but i tried..... .

animals are truly a gift from jehovah as the creator of all things.

animals have, since the creation, served as workers and companions for man.

TTWSYF

great article Undercover. You sold me bro,

I'M GETTING A DOG!!!

this summer....

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

20571pnt428571 You have so much garbage in your reply post that I don't know where to start, other than to say that you did not reply to any of the very valid specifics of my earlier post.

Is this some kind of 'jedi mind trick' to avoid the blatant, numerous and so very obvious distortions and misrepresentations of what the scriptures actually say? You sound as a hater of The Church started by Jesus. Do you think that you have found the 'hidden truth' written in the scriptures. The 'hidden truth' that says, "NO!, The bible doesn't mean that"? There it is in black and white. Let me answer some of your quotes as to what the scriptures say and forgive the lengthy rebuttal. This is going to take too much time for me to answer everything that was copied and pasted.

No, we claim to have in our midst, the last of the legal group within Chrost's specific Kingdom covenant, which as a group, from the 12 to it's final number of 144000, have always been the means Christ communicated to the "other sheep" and the world at large.

Legal how? By a self proclaimed group that has no Jewish virgins in it's midsts? As a matter of fact, has not that group of self proclaimmed 'annoited' grown in numbers in recent years?

This is why so much confusion has been thrown out of Xtednom against the legal flock, by the illegal ones assuming to be able to enter the Heaven Covenant, by means of a broad road of many many religions claiming such a privelege as if it was some sort of given.

The legal flock can be traced from the apostles to today. Some 2000 years of documented proof, not a myth, but see the proof in the scriptures of Jesus building his church on Peter and the apostles. And that his church would last for all ages and gates of death shall not overcome it. And Peter is given the keys of heaven and Peter leads the church council in act 15 [even though James is the Bishop of Jerusalem]. The authority is in the scriptures, point blank, no room to wiggle out or around from that fact.

It is not, in fact like Christ himself, it is dependant on God's choosing not flesh and blood self-will, such as can be seen in the many many many many sects of Xtendom attempting to do this, including the GrandDaddy cult of all time in apostasy, the Catholic global error, which spawned the rest, in one way or another, to the point where Jehovah had to clarify a final warning before Har-magedon.

If your point is that Jesus is not God because of the scriptures that show his humanity, then you won't understand that Jesus Christ was a man, he was fully man. The only way to the Father is through the the Man, Jesus Christ. The bible is quite clear that Jesus is God, and that he gave up His glory and humbled himself to be a man. He was not always a man, but the scriptues are clear in that Jesus is unchanging and is the same today as yesterday and tomorrow. Is; 9;6 speaks of Jesus

New International Version (©1984)
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

As far as Ammageddon, the scriptures couldn't be clearer. "No one knows the day or hour of God's judgement" It doesn;t get any clearer in seeing the error in even trying to predict such a thing. And the WTS has a long and well documented history of false prophesy. Are there any real legitimate predictions of any kind from that organization?

That is why they are called Jehovah's witnesses, speaking of all of Jehovah's truths which of course Xtendom, upon close inspection, has not gleaned 1 single truth concerning God, his name, his son, and his Kingdom, and are far from understanding the will of God, because they all, amidst this shattered house, teach their own will to gather the gullible.

Do I need to address the error in the name Jehovah? Even the WTS books admit that Yahwey is the more correct name and that isn't even a correct name. No one knows the true name of Father except the Son and those who the Son reveal his name to. Jehovah is a nick name at best.

The Truth:the "little flock" are the lead sheep, that brings in the rest. They are also, the only ones in that covenant, which is the provision to also recover ALL of the dead world Jesus bought.

The dead in the graves ALSO do not partake of emblems, they will partake of the REAL thing, the Last Adam, in blood (forgiveness/life) AND perfect body (bread of heaven, for earthlings).

(For real, in the flesh, were it's final meaning is applied, God's will on earth)

Twisting scriptures from here and there to come to that conclusion? Which scriptures would I read to get those ideas?

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This is an important bible truth, read carefully please...

God is not offering a house of mirrors is he? God is a God of order, he has ONE gate, ONE way, ONE truth, ONE Christ, not 2 billion who all think they are going to go through Christ, in that Kingdom capacity, for they are not, we have a gate way.

Hey, maybe you're not so bad, I agree with you.

What is it it? The way, the truth. The first thing is recognizing the truth, that God instituted a covenant with his son for a Kingdom. The son IN LIKE MANNER offered his brothers, a similar institution for Kingdom.

Jesus is the only Son of God. He has no real, physical brothers. He has spriritual brothers, he is "King of Kings" [rev19;13,16] and His kingdom has no end. It is eternal. Only God is the King of Kings and has an eternal kingdom, as we all know from the scriptures that there will be a new heaven and earth and Jerusalem, but his kingdom is forever. Of course, that's only if your read and believe what you read.

(Hebrews 8:6)...But now [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent public service, so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant, which has been legally established upon better promises.

Yes, what that says is that Jesus has made a better covenant, with better promises for those whom are in his covenant. Heaven anyone?

Jesus is mediator to the little flock, which was to be the instrument by which Jesus "brings" in the whole.
Yes, he is the mediator for us all, not just the little flock, are you for real? Are you trying to insinuate that Jesus is the mediator only for the 144K. Of course scripture says that all men [or makekind] is eligible for salvation. Jesus paid for us all with HIS blood. We were made by him, through him and most importantly for Him [see Col] The scriptures futher say that all things were made for the glory of God====

(Luke 12:32)...“Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom.

(John 10:2-4)...But he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice.

Again for what purpose later in the same scripture?

(John 10:16)...“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.And how would they "listen to his voice"?

VERY IMPORTANT:

(John 17:20-21) 20 “I make request, not concerning these only (Little Flock), but also concerning those putting faith in me

THROUGH THEIR WORD;

21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.

These randon scriptural referrences have just wasted too much time and energy because, no matter what the bible says, you won't see it. The bible could say 'point blank' the word trinity or God is a trinity and you still would not believe. All the worship Jesus received [and still receives] you seem to find him unworthy of, the fact that scripture says to 'honor the Son the same as the Father' means the same to when Jesus said "I am". Means nothing to to folks who won;t believe the bible.

Is 43;11 God says 'I am the only Savior'

Acts 4;12 Speaking of Jesus Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

People who twist scripture twist everything. It says what it says.

respectfully,

dc

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sibblings not attending daughters wedding

by focariedu21 in

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hi guys hope your all doing well, as you may recall my daughter is getting married soon in a couple of weeks in fact and we're inactive jws haven't been to a meeting for many years so we're pretty much like dead spiritually in the eyes of jws and my sibblings.

these are the same guys that refused to take care of mum and dad when she was alive and took me to court revoking my power of attorney and eventually placing mum and dad in a home and died soon after.

we dont speak to each other any longer as they ddestroyed everything i loved.

TTWSYF

My JW brother wouldn't attend any services for my dead grandparents, wouldn't attend any of my childrens baptisms and won't attend my parents funerals when that happens unless something drastic happens.

THE TRUTH....right?

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

ixthis -I'm sicere insomuch as I have had JWs asking me 'Who brings you the bible?' 'Who is going door to door with the scriptures?'

When I reply that the bible is a catholic book and that JWs come to the door with the watchtower, I get a queer look from them.

When I ask 'why do you go door to door with a catholic book, I get a queer look.

When I ask why JWs look back to the dark ages and dump on The Church, but will not look 75 years back in JW history, I get a queer look.

When I ask 'why did Jesus look at all the churches back in 1914 to find who was giving spiritual food when he promised that HIS church would last for all ages?' I get a queer look.

When I mention that the apostles baptised entire families and households at once. I get a queer look.

It seems like there is a lot of 'queerness' in the WTS doctrines.

I'm trying to find something that they believe that is true, I mean, come on, even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

The JWs gave us the bible, didn't they?

Yes, I'm almost certain that is the message that they try to send.

And they are the only true Christians,

They are the prophet of God

ANd they love you,

And the check is in the mail,

And I promise not to -=? in your mouth

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Also worth mentioning that I hear often from JW apologists and Catholic haters that the church fathers were Greeks and pagans worshipers and other such nonsense. Once you are repend and are converted, what difference does your former faith make?

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Almost all of the early church fathers believed in reincarnation. Ever read Clement's Homilies and Recognitions? How does that fit in with the doctrines of the Catholic Church?

Got any specific examples? A quote with a page number and book title perhaps please?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

Agreed JGNAT.

The writting of the CHurch Fathers are historical texts, aren;t they? There are plenty of those around

Also, I like your chart, but I couldn't open the link. I wanted to see where they got their dates from, but

Source, SynKobiety doesn;t seem to open. Is it from a university?

dc

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

TTWSYF

There is certainly a lot of mis-information going around and it can be tough for those of us who are not scholars to figure all this out. The good news is that there is plenty of history that can be confirmed. There are true scholarly resources that can be accessed by all.

The writtings of the Church Fathers are a huge source that should not be ignored by any Christains. There are many complete writtings available that make their positions quite clear and explicit. You won't find these ideas being explicitly discribed in the scriptures because the CHurch was evolving. ie- In the Gospels you read of Jesus being baptised by John the baptist. He was 30 years old or so when this happened. Many on this board and others throughout the world use Jesus's example of being much older when being baptised. After Jesus died [and rose and accended to heaven] the apostles had changed baptism to now being baptised 'in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.' We also see that now entire families and entire households are being baptised immediately and at once. The point is that the early church did evolve and right there is an example.

IXTHIS make the point that is ignored by many here. That is the quote from MATT 16;18 & 19 too when Jesus said 'And I tell you, that you are Peter, and on this rock I shall build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.' And in 19 Peter is given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. No other apostle is given this role. How many churches did Jesus build?

Peter was the leader of the apostles and the scriptural proof is undenieable. He's the only one to walk on water [if only briefly],

in Acts 15 during the only scriptural account of any councils [the Jerusalem Council] it was Peter who presided. not James, the bishop of Jerusalem.

He was the first to refute doctrinal heresy and errors [acts 8 ;14-24]

Peter is listed as the 1st apostle [MATT 10;2] and in every list of the apostles, Peter is listed first.

He works the first miracle after Pentecost [acts 3 ;6-12]

The first to preach repentance and baptism [acts 2;38]

Is referred to as leader by an angel of the Lord [Mark 16;7]

In John 21 ;15-17 we read that Jesus asks Peter to feed his sheep.

Luke 22;32 Jesus prays that Peter's faith would be strong so that he could in turn strengthen the other apostles' faith.

Just a few examples of his authority according to the scriptures.

Now to say that this is not true today is to say that Jesus is a liar or atleast a fool that couldn't build his church right. That it would fall into ruin, that he built his church on sand like the fool in his parables that got his house washed away.

You may not like it, but the Catholic church is The Church that Christ started, and it is still there as Jesus promised, for all ages, not some ages.

respectfully,

dc

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How would you respond to this JW apologist??

by Black Man in

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friends

hey all - as some of you may know, i've been engaged in a pretty big debate with family members as well as internet acquaintances over whether the jw's are a cult.

thanks to everyone who have posted links to threads that have helped me in my dialogue with them - its actually working.

the latest is that one of the posters i've been dialoging and he says that agrees with me on many points but he brought up the following response and i ask (how would you respond to this) that i have posted below (by the way, the person he references as gq is me - its my username on that web site):.

TTWSYF

Someone did a post a month or so ago about 'proof that the WTS is a cult' or some other such topic title. It went onto say that a JW strong in the faith would speak to you about any of your doubts about Jehovah, but would get elders involved if you spoke of any doubts about the WTS.

That struck me as awful. It reminded me of stories of friend that couldn't talk to each other anymore because one was dfed. daed, dqed, what ever. Groups that control your life to that degree are control groups. Not Christian groups imo.

dc