i've been looking into jehovah's witnesses beliefs and came up with a serious question, as i've found is that witnesses don't believe that jesus is god, same with the father.
but even in the new world translation, isaiah 9:6 (one of the ancient prophecies of jesus christ) it says "for a child has been born to us,+.
a son has been given to us;and the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+his name will be called wonderful counselor,+ mighty god,+ eternal father, prince of peace.
I disagree with David Jay [no offense Dave] in so much as I had thought the OT indicates that the Savior would be God in the flesh.
David, Who do you think the savior would be? Would it be God in the flesh or an angel of God or someone else?
Curious on your take on who you expect to be savior
1) they begin question .
2) they stop field service.
3) they stop going to kingdumb hall.
Once one stops believing lies because of true reasoning, then they are awake. Even if they stay because their social and fiscal situation may be tied to the kingdom halls.
Just my h,o.
we are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?
2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?
well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.
cold steel
the "what does the bible really teach?
" book says we cannot speak to the dead (page 64) and that the dead do not hear (page 58) but on page 68 the book has jesus talking to a dead man and the dead man apparently hearing and responding.
the same thing happens on page 69 when peter talks to a dead woman and the dead woman apparently hears and responds.
26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[a]? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”
37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[a] 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
39 Some of the teachers of the law responded, “Well said, teacher!”
Just saying.... the truth will set you free
Good one Stuck
oh so it's jesus fault the spiritual food hasn't been perfect!
we your governing body are just responsible for serving it!
think about this people, they are saying it was jesus who told us the end was going to come in 1975. then before the 1914 generation passed away no later than the 1990's.
The food was good, but the servers were spitting in it..
some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!
the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.
now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..
I wonder how long the Egyptian trinity lasted? Imagine that the Catholic church copied another faith, yet has fruits that no one has ever given the world ever before or since....weird
The Catholic church has been running for 2000 yrs now. Jesus said that he would be with HIS church until the end of the age. He stated that not even the gates of hell would prevail, but he never said that the gates of hell would not try though.
it's a head scratcher isn't it
a hey guys this is a short story of a witness who could never find unconditional love kfrom the congregation and family members.
cheers!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjv5pdkqicm.
I have heard many a JW speak about love that they have for each other. They speak of the bible verse stating that you will be known by your love. Then there are the examples that they say about how this one helped that one and how they showed charity to one another.
The only problem that I have with such things is that this love is only shown to other JWs [in good standing]
There is no love for others who share this planet with them. NO love for neighbors, not even those that the bible says to help like orphans, widows, elderly, the poor and the sick.
TTWSYF
some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!
the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.
now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..
When I think of the Trinity I'm amused by the fact that the "Holy Spirit" has no personality whatsoever.
I'm not wanting to pick on you VI, just want to bring some scriptures to light that contradict your position. It is my opinion [and many others] that the Holy Ghost has the attributes of a person and does have a personality.
The HG [Holy Ghost] is referred to as 'HE' through out the scriptures. He loves [Rom 15;30], he teaches [Luke 12;12], He has impulses[John 16;13] He appoints and calls to ministry [Acts 13;2] He thinks [Acts 15;25,28] can be blasphemed-worth mentioning that only God can be blasphemed [Matt 12;31,32], He pleads [Rom 8;26,27] and longs or yearns [James 4;5] He can be insulted [aside from these types of OPs] [Heb 10;29] and he agrees [1John 5;7,8]. All of these types of things are the attributes of a person and not a force. For example, you can't offend a force, but you can a person. Someone who thinks, loves and guides must have a personality as opposed to simply being an active force. In my kinda humble opinion.
The Truth Will Set You Free
i'm reading a book called "what to do when they knock" that goes over the jw book "what does the bible really teach?".
it points out that the "bible really teach" book, on page 218, makes a bit of a point about there being only one archangel.
it says michael is "the archangel" and emphasizes that "the" means only one.
It's not in the NWT, but In the book of Tobit, the arch angel Rafael says that he is one of seven who stands before the Lord.
