Thank you all for some thoughtful answers.
So far the consensus is that there never was a great apostasy from the universal church.
No proof what so ever, correct?
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13irrefutable proof of the great apostasy that corrupted the catholic church
by TTWSYF inwhen the emperor constantine legalized christianity in the roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become.
many people here know that to be a fact.
it's a common sense theory, right?.
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What Jesus' Return Would Mean for JWs, According to the Bible
by Afterburn inon the last day, jesus returns, and 8,000,000 jehovah's witnesses are shocked that he didn't return invisibly.
remembering the account of stephen, they know if they can see him, they can speak directly to him, so they line up proudly to be rewarded for all they've done for his brothers.. "lord, lord," they happily cry out, "just look what all we have done in your name!".
"i know," jesus says, "i saw.
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Jesus said to obey everything that he commanded, not just a few things that people thought were more important than other things.
MATT 28- 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age
Is there an organization that does ALL that Jesus commanded? I know for a fact that it isn't the WTS
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irrefutable proof of the great apostasy that corrupted the catholic church
by TTWSYF inwhen the emperor constantine legalized christianity in the roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become.
many people here know that to be a fact.
it's a common sense theory, right?.
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When the emperor Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman empire around 311ad he allowed or introduced a flood of half converted pagans and allowed the corruption that sullied the true faith and ruined Christianity until a time when it could be restored to the true and pure faith that it was intended to become. Many people here know that to be a fact. It's a common sense theory, right?
Historically speaking, there are some 30,000 pages or so of written Christian history predating 311, so you can look back to the 1st century and see where the church was and then walk it to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th centuries all the way up to the 21st century. You can clearly see the shift in Christ;s teachings, right?
I have not found any evidence of this 'great apostasy'. I have found many examples of people who wanted it to be true and would promote the idea based solely on emotion, but no proof at all what so ever.
If the great apostasy happened, you could say 'here, on this date [or year] this person/people changed the teachings and turned away from the true Christianity. I'm looking for someone to give a clear example of this apostasy that ruined Christianity.
thoughts?
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How do Jehovah's Witnesses get away with lying about the scripture?
by Capitanul inthey can edit their own versions to conform to their doctrines but what's stopping people to hand flyers or glue posters with the actual quotes in contradiction to their statements?.
examples:.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-the-holy-spirit/ - http://archive.is/778ch .
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Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is The Worst Thing About Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inthe longer i’m out the more i feel that disfellowshipping is cruel.
i understand the organization tells parents to not even accept emails or texts from their disfellowshipped children.
while i was a witness they tried to discourage families from association but there was some leeway if it was considered necessary business to interact.
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Rattigan350an hour ago
No, it is not bad at all. Because you can choose to remedy that. It is up to you to get reinstated and the shunning will stop.
How does one remedy the org's habit of lying about everything?
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Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is The Worst Thing About Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inthe longer i’m out the more i feel that disfellowshipping is cruel.
i understand the organization tells parents to not even accept emails or texts from their disfellowshipped children.
while i was a witness they tried to discourage families from association but there was some leeway if it was considered necessary business to interact.
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They justify lying and tell you it’s not really a lie if you speak untruth to someone not entitled to know.
In WTS world, no one is entitled to know the truth
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Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is The Worst Thing About Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inthe longer i’m out the more i feel that disfellowshipping is cruel.
i understand the organization tells parents to not even accept emails or texts from their disfellowshipped children.
while i was a witness they tried to discourage families from association but there was some leeway if it was considered necessary business to interact.
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With so many evil policies and practices to chose from, I have narrowed down the most evil [in my mind].
It's their lying. Every other evil from the WTS comes from their continuing policy of lying. The sooner you realize that the Governing Body lies and lies and lies some more, the better. Then you can pull yourself away from their particular brand of evil... imho
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What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?
by minimus inevidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.
all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.
vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.
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They used to believe in the worship of Jesus and even Christmas.
No more now as the light has gotten brighter....
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Unsolicited advice for PIMO JWs who live in anguish and fear
by Roger Kirkpatrick inbefore one who belongs to another religion can become a jw, one must officially resign from one’s former church in writing.
many who left their family religion to become a jw have been disowned by their families.
of course, jws consider this to be persecution.
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So my brother and his family became JWs and got baptized and our family did not dis-own them. We initially respected their decision until we did our own homework. Then we were able to see their mistake, even if they didn't.
We patiently await their coming back to their senses, but we do not hold much hope because of the WTS teaching of going off to LALA land when presented with facts.
Please pray for my family and I will pray for all of your families.
The Truth Will Set You Free
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Let's Talk Horror Movies
by LoveUniHateExams inhorror is easily my favourite genre of movie so i just thought i'd start a thread on it.. horror can be done badly and there are plenty of crap horror movies, no doubt about that.
but horror can also be done very well, too - often on a low budget.. plus, there are quite a lot of subgenres - slasher, supernatural, monster movies, body horror, psychological horror, zombie, vampire, etc.. so, do you like horror?.
what's your favourite subgenre?.
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the conjuring had some spooky parts