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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

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  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  Hi Giles Grey and Onager,

  Just saw your post. Will address all of your questions in the next few days or less. I won't have time to effectively answer each one now. That said, let me start with [me=bold text, Giles Grey italics texts] question about my claims

  "One example of evidence could be the way the apostles and 90% of the early Christians leaders were tortured to death is evidence. Why die for a lie? To what end?"

  This line of reasoning is used by nearly all judeo-christian theologies in order to substantiate their faith. It utilises a logical fallacy known as the Argument from Ignorance.

  The fallacious nature of this argument is clearly demonstrated by the fact that Muslims and Mormons can also employ the same false reasoning to uphold their competing theologies.

  It is also incorrect to presume that the first century martyrs knowingly died for a lie. The fact that they died by such gruesome executions indicates the extent of their conviction in what they believed

  GG,I am aware of the awful circumstances involving all forms of martyrdom. I am speaking of the differences that are unique to early christian martyrdom.

  My post about the 1st apostles IS different because the apostles were the witnesses.They were NOT converts, who heard from someone else. They saw the RISEN LORD. They didn't hear about it from someone else ..So that means, if their story was not truthful, there would have been a crack. Too many witnesses for it NOT to be true. ANY other faith is based on what someone else had testified to. The Christian Church was started by the apostles and dozens if not hundreds others who were witness to the resurrected Jesus. Most eventually tortured to death., Why not recant if it were not true?

  My Point?-It's true. Jesus did rise from the dead. My opinion, maybe not yours.

  Onoger wrote Close companions of Jesus and close companions of Muhammad who both die as martyrs are only different if you start with the claim that Jesus was special. You're trying to prove that Jesus was special though, so you can't start with that.

  Not saying that Jesus was different [but of course, I think HE was..lol]

  I am saying that the apostles were different in so much as they [and dozens of others] were actual witnesses. They were not convinced because of someone else's words. They believed because THEY SAW.

  You really don't see the diff?
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  I'm not denying other martyrs.

  I am denying that your example can compare to the earliest christian martyrs who claimed that ' Jesus indeed did rise from the dead after 3 days and I heard him say that''

  That was what the apostles and dozens of others proclaimed unto death They were witnesses of the risen Lord and could not deny it. It wasn't only a faith thing, it was a witness thing too. Convinced by witnessing his resurrection and proclaiming it. Certainly you can see how that is a possible significant difference to someone dying because of anothers' words.
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  Thank you for your response, but I'm sorry you are wrong to say that there is evidence for the existence of the biblical god. If there was any evidence then there would be only two types of people in the world: people who accepted the evidence and people who would rather die.

  There are always 2 types of people on any side of an argument. Those who accept the evidence and follow the truth and those who do not accept the evidence and frankly just refuse and won't even look at it.

  Your example of the early Christian leaders being tortured to death is clearly wrong because we know that people have been martyred for beliefs which are contradictory to those of Christians. The Jews who accepted death by burning at the stake rather than convert to Christianity during the inquisition for example.

  The early Christian martyrs were not only believers of a faith that they would die for. They were witnesses. The apostles were witnesses of Jesus's resurrection and COULD not deny what they knew to be true. That is quite different from someone who has faith in their faith. Although both were martyrs, there's a major difference when you are a witness and know that it is false.
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  Denying the truth doesn't make you smarter. Lofty, you're such a hypocrite bully.

  Lofty...hilarious

  make sure you like yours and dislike mine
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  cofty6 minutes ago

  TPopeWSYF - Without theology we would still have all of those things

  If that were true we would have already had them. The Catholic Church gave the whole world those things.Your post about theology giving the world nothing is patently false.

  You seem to be shrinking a little here. Don't like people strongly disagreeing with your post or something? That's what bullies do when they get confronted...with facts...they shrink
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  ofty8 minutes ago

  Another Lofty gem,- Theology has added precisely nothing that could not have been achieved without it.

  Except for hospitals, doctors, nurses, the university system, the scientific method, worldwide charity to all, the free market economy, P,O,W,s going home to freedom after war., human dignity based on the fact that we're humans. The list goes on. The monasteries were the 1st university system that would share their teachings with each other to insure that they were teaching the same thing amongst themselves. That's how we got the scientific method.

  Source -How the Catholic Church build western civilization By Thomas E Woods Jr. PH.D

  What's your source?
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  Lofty, I posted a reply to this topic on page 3. Any that believe in God, Jesus, what is your reasoning.

  I replied honestly and sincerely.. You replied to mine with disrespect. You're the petty one. You started the insults as you always do and you're too much of a pussy to ever meet me face to face. You're the insecure person attacking my beliefs and others. Then you get offended? What a pussy you are....really

  Lofty....hilarious...
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  Onager11 hours ago

  There is no evidence that the god of the bible exists. So you believe without evidence and call this faith.

  There is no knowledge about the god of the bible that does not come from other men. You either read books or listen to speakers to gain knowledge about god.

  Respectfully, although you are right as far as each of us are not witness to personal and profound intimate communication / revelation with God, there is still a large amount of evidence.

  One example of evidence could be the way the apostles and 90% of the early Christians leaders were tortured to death is evidence. Why die for a lie? To what end?

  While it is possible for men to die for a lie, it is not possible for the lot of sinners that made up the apostles to go thru what they went through and not fold up if it were a lie in my opinion.If they KNEW it was a lie, they would have recounted when the blade started to peel their skin off of their bodies. It's common sense.
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  You're right Lofty!

  [Lofty, as in, that's your opinion about your own beliefs because every Christian is a moron, so you'll treat them that way....hilarious] I have to say that it's fascinating tome that you're fascinated by your own boorish messages. Look below for a chuckle

  cofty4 hours ago

  It's always fascinating to watch Christians take refuge in dogma, platitudes and personal abuse.

  I remember a time when I also had to hide from reality in order to protect faith.

  Sounds hypocritical based on your own posts.

  
  

  cofty7 days ago

  I have no respect for faith that pretends to be based on scientific evidence.

  Don't insult us with fairy stories about 'eucharistic miracles' just have the balls to say you believe despite all the evidence against the dogma because it makes you happy to do so. I could respect that.

  Imagine if you actually researched it instead insulting yourself?

  Don't be afraid...because

  The Truth Will Set You Free
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  For any that still believe in God and Jesus, what is your reasoning on this matter?

  by BourneIdentity in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the old testament, god was always full of anger and jealousy resulting in the murder of millions of people.

  we’re told jesus perfectly reflects his fathers qualities.

  why in the new testament does jesus show no hint of anger and jealousy and wanting to kill people?

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  TTWSYF

  
  I have no respect for a person that pretends to be a knowledgeable source, but rejects scientific evidence.
  

  Don't insult us with fairy stories about what you think are one's beliefs, just have the balls to say you won't believe despite all the evidence against your position because it makes you happy to do so. I could respect that.

  ps- the Shroud of Turin also confirms Christ's blood type as AB. Now how could anyone know that?