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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

This thread is on hell and not the Pharisees.

from the beginning of historical Christianity, it has been taught that the soul is immortal and can suffer tournaments in hell.

Your position is a new one and I’m asking you to produce your reasons why you think the soul is not immortal.

Lazarus and the rich man is a real and tangible example of how a soul being tormented in the fires of the afterlife was not consumed and destroyed but most definitely goes on suffering. There’s no mention of his sufferings ending is there?

so again, could you please give me reasons why you think the soul would cease to exist. I’m looking for a reason why you think God would destroy his own creation which he made in his own likeness and image.

Do you have anything other than asking for more proof?

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

What you believe does matter. That’s why we’re conversing on hell.

Yes, VH, when I read about Lazarus and the rich man. I must say, that I take that quite literally. I put that with the rest of the evidence of an afterlife, and I don’t see how you could not take it literally.

So you don’t have anything that really supports your position, is that right? Just don’t want it to be true?

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

VH,

if I have your argument right, you think that after we die and are NOT written in the book of life, we would be sentenced to hell to die another death and then be destroyed in the fires of hell and that's it, End of story.

If that's your opinion, could you explain the details of why you think that?

We are made in God's image. Is that something that God would destroy?

I mean, he hasn't destroyed the fallen angels, shit, even the worms don't die in the unquenchable fire, what makes you think that human souls would? Just because it doesn't specifically say that souls endure the flames forever?

I think it's implied when looking at the whole of the scriptures and all of the tradition. {Before you go on about 'the traditions of men' you should acknowledge that the traditions of men are how we have the bible}.

When I read of Lazaras and the rich man being tormented and asking Abraham for a drop of water, I know that the rich man didn't just die. He wanted to be able to warn his family NOT to come to that place.

He certainly was suffering and maybe still to this day.

What say you about that?

TTWSYF

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

Matthew 18:8
If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.
In Context
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
In Context
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

I guess the word “soul” isn’t there. You’re right VH, there’s no hell to worry about in the scriptures.
seriously, though, the concept of hell is unpleasant to everyone, not just JW’s.

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

That above and a boatload of OT references from

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

VH ,

the NT is filled w/ warnings about the unquenchable fire w/worms that don’t die. Everlasting fire. That must mean different things to you than it does to the rest of the world?

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

VH,

what makes you think that eternal hellfire must be present in the Old Testament? Is it somehow not valid because it’s in the New Testament and not in the Old Testament?

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

No human judge would , but we don’t offend human judges, we offend the creator of all. Big diff

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

TTWSYF

Ratt,

people who were taught the faith from the apostles and the hearers of apostles know what was honest and originally preached better than someone 1850 years later who was disturbed by hell, and chose to teach that it doesn’t exist despite explicit biblical evidence.

Thankfully the scholarly institutions of the world have tens of thousands of pages written from the apostles and the hearers of the apostles and the hearer’s of them.

God loves us and doesn’t want to punish us for our choices? Yet angels, who God also loves are condemned eternally to hell (as it was prepared for Satan and his fallen angels)

Why would an all loving God condemn his creation to hell?

because God, the good creator does not destroy his creation but lets us all live and die by our choices.

The dead are aware of nothing is 100% taken out of context. Reading the chapter and learning of the Hebrew writing technique of hyperbole will go along way in your understanding. Wishing you good luck in your honest studies

TTWSYF

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Stickers against Jehovahs witnesses

by Paul Bonanno in

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in malta in 1980s the catholic church issued a yellow sticker telling jehovahs witnesses not to knock on their door.

this was distributed with all the parishioners.. i would like to know if others countries had this in place before the 1980s especially maybe italy and ireland?.

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TTWSYF

I have heard that Malta is very very Catholic. Probably from the apostles visiting and I think John particular. Or perhaps they weren’t interested in the one way conversations as JW‘s come to the door, in their mind, as teachers of the Scriptures, as opposed to teachers of the WTS, which they are. No offense intended, just mho. That said, I don’t think I’m a fan of anti-JW stickers.

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