trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@ Think about it: You have a knack of hitting the nail right on the head. Well done! The debate did not exist in the early congregation because the doctrine of the Trinity did not exist. Jesus was born into Judaism, raised a Jew, lived the life of a Jew, celebrated as a Jew.. he acknowledges his God and Father prior to his birth, during his life and after his resurrection. It is so simple.
Bravo! Think'
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@ peacedog: I am sorry if I have misunderstood your understanding of the point that I am trying to clarify here. The only point I am labouring (I also do not wish to appear to be ignoring the other research areas) is Undisfellowshipped's assertion that Jesus is the Jehovah of the New Testament. You agree that he is not.. thank you.. my viewpoint entirely, and that is why I have been waiting for a sound explanation of the passages in Psalm110:1 and Revelation 3:7-12. You promised to follow up on this once Debator had replied, that is all. And, thank you for your consideration.
@ Think About It: You probably are the closest mind set I have here... I was born into the Church of England, raised Pentecostal (drew the same conclusions on the Trinity as you have done) and converted to be a JW. Currently, I hold no religious affiliation, but have not abandoned my fundamental belief in an all loving Creator and an orderly, structured Universe. Spiritual but not religious.. I guess.
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@Think about it: Cheers my friend, I cannot but see the obvious... why do we need complicated and disjointed Trinitaria theses?? Jehovah is the Father of Jesus, a quite separate being.. I am not minded to argue whether Jesus was an angel or not. All we know is that he has been exalted and has been given Immortality alongside his God and Father. How much more plain talk do Trinitarians want?
Howdy Sylv... just sitting typing over lunch break, have completed patient notes and about to start afternoon surgery... think of you all often, delighted that the "Universe" is healing you with its peace... Huggz, Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
... "If you will conquor I will make you a pillar in the temple of My God; you will never go out of it. I will write on you the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem that comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. "And to the angel of the church of Laodicea write: The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the origin of God's creation.." Revelation 3:11-15.
Why go to all the trouble of explaining that he still has a God and reiterating that he was the origin of God's creation if he was one and the same as Jehovah. The text above spells it out for me...
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@ Snowbird: Love yer Sylv.....!
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
peacedog: With respect you haven't answered the question at all... Psalm 110:1 and all the texts linked through scripture clearly demonstrate that @TWO separate beings are referred to... and that thought continues in the Revelation. cf; particularly to Revelation 3:12 amidst the counsel and praise of the church in Philadelphia. Why would Bible writers pen such a complex meaning as you outline... YHWH to the Lord incarnate? Jesus is clearly separate from his Father after the Resurrection. Period. Nothing complicated... two identifiable and separate beings, not part of a Mystic Godhead.
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@ peacedog: You promised to give me a considered reply to Psalm 110:1; Who are the two Lords? This has now developed to a request to understand the meaning of Revelation 3:7-13; especially verse 12 where the resurrected, exalted Jesus still refers to his Father and his God.. how then, can Jesus and Jehovah be one and the same? Please enlighten me.. or is the request really so simple no one can answer?
Jesus is NOT Jehovah.. they are two separate beings, one is Almighty and the other is Mighty, exalted, and resurrected and has been give the gift of immortality. Prove otherwise please.
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
As a non-Trinitarian and believer that Jesus and Jehovah are separate beings, I accept that Jesus is "divine" in nature, and that is all the Scriptures are saying Undisfellowshipped. The reward for his faithfulness is Immortality.. which he evidently did not have before.
Following on, he still addresses his God and Father and writes the name "of his God" on the foreheads of the faithful of the church of Philadelphia.
Would it not have been easier for the Bible writers to pen their words more succinctly if your particular view of Trinitarian concept were the truth?
NO! The LORD YHWH is different from the Lord (Jesus) because the First is Almighty and the Creator of the Other. The Latter is the faithful creation of the other, and is our means of Salvation. He is the Light of the World, the means of Our Salvation, champion of Jehovah his Father.
The Bible message is simple throughout, once the difficulties of transliteration from Ancient texts are overcome in the text of our poor excuse of a modern language... English.
Podo
mine's was, if your job interfere with the meetings you have to decide who you will choose,.
serving jehovah or serving man, if anyone knew my needs it most definitely was jehovah.
and he knew i needed my job to eat.
My worst advice was probably my best advice, I turned my lemon into lemonade:
Having given up a good education (jumped a year at high school and was scheduled to go to University a year ahead of normal age of entry), I was told by a Bethel Elder "Your problem is You're All Heavenly and No Earthly Good", promptly followed by a barracking in front of the congregation by a MS : "Stop spongeing off the rest of us and go get a proper job", followed by a discourse to the congregation by the DO (who was a qualified Architect - self taught whilst pioneering no doubt) about the follow of leaving School with insufficient qualifications to support ourselves through life.
My Bible closed, and I have attended 3 memorials in 24 years, out of an ebbing sense of loyalty.
It has been hard turning this ship around and have almost capsized on many occasions, but I obtained a BSc 15 years ago, have my own private practice (in a profession allied to medicine), will never retire but try to keep healthy day by day to defeat my late on set diabetes. Have battled through Prostate Cancer scare this year and facing amputation, have managed to lose 103 lbs and isolate the cause aggrevating my diabetes and causing my weight gain. [White flour.. bleached bread, pasta, rice cf; Alloxan and the poisonous effects on the Pancreas] Currently spearheading the Diabetic Support group in our city.
Determined to defeat that mantras in my mind, by showing these idiots that people need more than the Word of God to live on.. and that God helps those who help themselves.
Bitter, Defeated? No way. Angry? YES... Kids, especially, if you are reading this "Look after Yourself", find your way, and if the JW way is still your chosed path, make sure you have the walking boots of life firmly laced up ... less you become foot loose like many of the generation of '75.
Hope you don't mind the outburst, folks.
Podo
trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
@Peacedog: As promised, would you now answer for me, your understanding of the The Two Lords mentioned in Psalm110, and now laterly the question I have asked in response to Snowbird's comment... why does Jesus still have a God and Father, after his death, resurrection and exaltation.. cf; Revelation 3 to the Church of Philadelphia... what is the name of HIS GOD written on the Head of the Faithful of that Church?
Many thanks.
Podo
