i am trying to remember a kids programme that was on while i was a wee thing during the 70's... now i was only born in '68, so i guess it would be late 70's early 80's.
i remember bears, and animation, but i don't think cartoon.
anyway, please can anyone list their favourite british kids programmes during these times and hopefully i will get an epiphany!
What about THE MAGIC ROUNDABOUT.. or is that really giving my age away? Florence and Zebedee (the boss-eyed tomato on springs!).. and Dillon (cool, man) and Ermentrude the cow.
Then there was Andy Pandy.. I always had doubts when he jumped in the box with Loopey Loo at the end of the program and Teddy jumped in between them and the lid closed!! No wonder your generation had a dubious start, jookbeard!
Oh, the days of innocence... when childhood didn't end til your first kiss at sweet 16, eh?
the following comment was posted in the "mill hill disfellowshipping" thread:.
all 4 were disfellowshipped for believing that the entirety of the ransom, including the new covenant, and the mediatorship and everything else in the bible, applied to everyone.. if that is the case, why do all of the jw prayers, public and private, end with "we pray this through your son, jesus christ, amen"?.
ending prayers like this implies that the payer is going through jesus, hence jesus is the mediator for all prayers made by jws!.
Wow Wow Wow.. Truthseeker: You have brought a tear to my eye.. I just wish I could give you the BIGGEST hug of Agape and Philia ever. That, has to be for me, the drop from Lazarus table.. the quenching I have needed for a troubled mind on this subject.
Just to had a few personal comments: I moved north after my departure from Bethel and stayed with a Doctor friend whose grandmother was of the anointed. Whilst I was staying in his not unsubstantial home his grandmother died. It puzzled me a little why he appeared quite cold towards his mother.
I sat in the lounge, put my arm round her whilst she sobbed her heart out, "It's just the thought that I will never see her again". "How do you KNOW that?" was my reply "Jehovah is opening his hand and satisfying the desire of EVERY living thing.. Why should that exclude you?.. don't you think Jehovah will find a way for you and her to meet again.. why should your joy be any less?" She turned to me.. by this time my shirt collar was wet.
Yes, whether our call is to serve or be here to enjoy that rule... I feel too, that all who have confirmed their dedication to God and Christ should participate. Only the individual should know his relationship with Jesus, the head of the congregation. That is not for another to question.. unless they eat unworthily.
(P.S. Why wasn't Mary present with her Son and his disciples the night before he died?.. further thread maybe)
I have sent a personal message to you.
Many, Many thanks....... brother
a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
Greetings for a fellow Newbie on the rocks.. great to be able to express your concerns and feelings isn't it? Seems like the same thoughts on the matter may be running through your head too.. any comments on the topic? Hugs; Podo
the following comment was posted in the "mill hill disfellowshipping" thread:.
all 4 were disfellowshipped for believing that the entirety of the ransom, including the new covenant, and the mediatorship and everything else in the bible, applied to everyone.. if that is the case, why do all of the jw prayers, public and private, end with "we pray this through your son, jesus christ, amen"?.
ending prayers like this implies that the payer is going through jesus, hence jesus is the mediator for all prayers made by jws!.
Thank you for your contributions Hamsterbait and Chalam. I have read and re-read Romans 11, many times and do not see how the grafting of the Gentiles into the faithful vine of "Israel" is pertinent to this thread. I have already disabused myself of the tortuous and speculative teaching by the JW's surrounding John 10:16. The "other sheep" are patently (to me) the Gentiles who began to enter the Christian congregation with Cornelius.
Many "Mainstream" branches of Christianity, Chalam, believe that we are living in the "Last Days" so my point stands. JW's are known to be speculative on the matter - and many have tired of the Carrot and Donkey ethics of the WTS!
However, come the day, whenever that may be.. There will be a "New Heaven and a NEW EARTH".. I cannot abandon the NOT-unique teaching by the JW's that there will be a restoration of all things on this Earth too.. a reversal in every sense of the sin brought on us in Eden. When that time comes (and when is very much pivotal to this discussion).. the one way ticket for all Christians as you put it.. will cease. So, I cannot agree. Not ALL Christians will share and rule with Christ in heaven. There is a job to do! The JW's have an EXCEPTIONAL explanation of the "Kingdom" arrangement - and for me have explained far more than my years in the schisms of Christendom.
This thread is about PRAYER and whether those who aspire to an "Earthly" hope have the right to pray for the congregation as a whole.
My JW theology is rusty now.. but I have always understood, that the Bible is written SPECIFICALLY to those who have been called to be with Christ. By rote and adoption those who feel they will share in the NEW EARTH come under the HEAVENLY Kingdom arrangement.
Most Kingdoms have a parliament of elected representatives and constituencies consisting of sectors of their population. I have always viewed the Universe as being one massive Constituency with Jesus as the governmental head with his elected representatives. Maybe, says he (the dreamer) the rest of the Universe is populated with races and beings already enjoying the benefits of that Kingdom rule. Maybe soon, it is our turn for a cleansing and a New World Order. That expression seems to be on the lips of many.
I have switched back to the original (recent) thread on this subject to see if the point I am seeking is further clarified. Very best wishes to you both, as I clear up my last loose ends of my JW/Pentecostal past.
Agape to all lovers of Jesus Christ. Podo.
a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
Thank you truthexplorer, it helps a little in understanding matters. But, it remains that in the turbulent time of my leaving Bethel.. the central issue in Brooklyn (and now apparently with the Mill Hill 4).. that all were encouraged to participate in the Lord's Evening Meal regardless of their DESTINY. (To rule with Christ or to enjoy eternal life on Earth under Kingdom Rule: a moot point for Mainstream Christendom that believes that every faithful Christian has a one way ticket to heaven). I think this is the point PaP is raising.. but he must guide us in the discussion I think.
I have VERY fond memories of David Gibson (Sylvia I did not know). I have to say if it wasn't for David's personal comments to me a few days before I left Bethel, I would have totally cracked up over events that happened around me. As one poster sadly confirmed.. you have never known a cold shoulder until you get one from Bethel. Wherever you are David... Thank you.
the following comment was posted in the "mill hill disfellowshipping" thread:.
all 4 were disfellowshipped for believing that the entirety of the ransom, including the new covenant, and the mediatorship and everything else in the bible, applied to everyone.. if that is the case, why do all of the jw prayers, public and private, end with "we pray this through your son, jesus christ, amen"?.
ending prayers like this implies that the payer is going through jesus, hence jesus is the mediator for all prayers made by jws!.
Thanks for the thoughts Chalam.. but that does not answer the questions. If ALL Christians are to go to heaven.. what of the New Earth.. those that go to be with the Lord.. have a job to do.
Please read the whole of 1 Corinthians 15, when death is destroyed who will people the New Earth? It is a matter of one hope but (perhaps) two destinies. The nub here is possibly, whether ALL should participate in the "flesh" and "blood" of Christ, regardless of their destiny. This is a JW issue primarily, I think. All the best.
the following comment was posted in the "mill hill disfellowshipping" thread:.
all 4 were disfellowshipped for believing that the entirety of the ransom, including the new covenant, and the mediatorship and everything else in the bible, applied to everyone.. if that is the case, why do all of the jw prayers, public and private, end with "we pray this through your son, jesus christ, amen"?.
ending prayers like this implies that the payer is going through jesus, hence jesus is the mediator for all prayers made by jws!.
Thanks.. that is a useful overview, designs. So, the JW's count a New Earth in and as part of the Eternal Design. More Orthodox and Mainstream churches/sects/christians offer just a one way ticket with no end to death, disease and human delinquency. Is there not an argument for saying that noone is certain, and that our destiny and calling are personal.
Perhaps all who are baptised into Christ should partake, therefore.
Let God and Christ sought out where we will end up and what job we have to do. (Never did subscribe to the idea of an eternity playing harps - much more exciting building space ships and exploring the Universe - always been a Trekky, always will be!) Any thoughts?
the following comment was posted in the "mill hill disfellowshipping" thread:.
all 4 were disfellowshipped for believing that the entirety of the ransom, including the new covenant, and the mediatorship and everything else in the bible, applied to everyone.. if that is the case, why do all of the jw prayers, public and private, end with "we pray this through your son, jesus christ, amen"?.
ending prayers like this implies that the payer is going through jesus, hence jesus is the mediator for all prayers made by jws!.
Thanks for your contribution knowledge seeker. The posts seem to have dried up. So, I take it then.. that JW's still hold that prayers by those who are not of the "Anointed" are still valid?
Does that mean that you are saying: All should partake in the Lords Evening Meal whether their calling is Heavenly or Earthly (what of the kids?), or that only those who feel they are "anointed" should partake? Can we raise a discussion establishing either view point? And what was the Scriptural reason (other than an alternative point of view) for the disfellowshipping of the Mill Hill 4? (This cliche is beginning to smack of the Tolpuddle Martyrs!! LOL)
All the best Knowlegeseeker.
my worst field service experience was this.. i didn't have a car at the time and so a pioneer sister was picking me up of service every couple of days.
she was my partner and i got a door where the woman was clearly not interested.
as i am stepping away the pioneer sister starts in with all the objection stoppers.
Two amongst many spring to mind..
Shaking the hand of a Surgeon from Nicaragua as his tears rolled down his cheek. He had let a 16 year old girl slip away after a road traffic accident. He wanted assurance that respecting her wishes to decline a blood transfusion was the right thing to do. He blabbed, "there was no time", "there was no time". "Blood was all I had to get the oxygen into her..." My God, he was in a state. It haunts my head and my gut to this day.
Calling at a home in Paddington, West London with an ex Gilead missionary from Albany, Georgia. Guy came to door in only his underpants (briefs U.S) and nothing else. I opened the presentation: "Good morning. Sorry to knock you up Sir...the reason for our calling etc etc". My poor companion nearly creased with embarrassment and turned a beautiful autumnal red! Britain and America.. two nations separated by the same language, eh? (I hasten to add she trumped my faux pas by chiding a kid in one of the KH's in Albany for his misbehaviour... "Be quiet you little Bugger!" This Brit. went into cringe overdrive)
i remember a long and complicated debate between our very own joseph malik and the unbelievably named rud perrson about the sabbaths that seemed to show that the nit-picking witlesses had even got this wrong !.
i would love to see a simple explanation.. the other thing is that i do believe the once a year thing is wrong, jesus didn't say "every passover", they were enjoying a meal together, and he said "as often as you do this......" so whenever they ate together it would be good to have something that celebrated jesus' life and death.. but is nisan14 wrong anyway ?.
love.
Have you tried reading the material published by Greg Stafford on this subject, Wobble? There appears to be no firm understanding about the frequency of the celebration, the accuracy of the exact time of the Passover. And, despite being known as Quartodecinarians, this appears to have been due consensus by the early "church".. the Romans knowing exactly where to find hoards of Christians on that "memorial" night. All the best. Podo..
