It will take time to perfect any new, large system. What is not going to help anyone is trying to repeal reform before it's even had a chance to change anything and trying to shoot the economy in the knee caps as a form of retribution
Berengaria
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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trying to sound wise.
Well, ok. Certainly not something we could accuse you of.
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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Berengaria
I cringe when I see people up in arms about forcing corporations to pay their "fair share", whatever the hell that means. Take an economics class people. Corporations are simply entities made up of people. The corporation doesn't have a brain, its a collective of a dozen or a hundred or a hundred thousand people. Customers in the end pay the taxes 100% of the time, not corporations.
Actually, I am asking how many Economics classes you have taken. You did, after all, admonish the rest of us to do so.
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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I would also like to see some supporting information for Marvin's claims
Things I've learned:
- "Affordable" under the ACA is defined so that what many companies have historically offered employees as a benefit is, by comparison, very generous. The exchanges set up by the Federal government is a place employers can send employees to show how generous previous plans have been. But that was then. Now we have the ACA. Based on "affordable" under the ACA I predict a lot of companies will change the benefit they offer employees so that more of the cost is shifted to the employee and away from the employer.
- Though businesses offering health care insurance must offer dependent coverage, there is no requirement to make this coverage "affordable" by a company offer to cover part of the premium costs. When employees go to the health care exchange they'll get sticker shock at what the premium is going to cost them. Employers can offer very little in the way cost-sharing for dependent coverage and make it less costly than the exchange, which will steer employees back to the company's plan. Bottom line is that employees will be paying a lot more for dependent coverage.
- Based on how the ACA treats smoking and smokers, it will become much, much easier for companies to shift premium costs to employees who are smokers. Smokers better gird up their loins. They're about to meet Mr. Premium in ways they never did before. Alternately, smokers can successfully complete a cessation program. I'm sure that'll work. Right?
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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I did.
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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Berengaria
How many Economics classes have you taken Lost Gen?
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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Berengaria
He's not opening his eyes....
He's being facetious.
Shhhh, I know
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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He is right. The point he's making is that, once people get "hooked" on government handouts it's almost impossible to take those handouts away, no matter how much sense it makes to do so. Politicians are hooked on "pork barrel" projects, another classic example of taking money/benefits as long as it's free to them while someone else pays the bill.
Exactly. As I said. People don't usually get "hooked" on something that doesn't taste/feel good. In this case affordable health care. My gosh what a bunch of losers, those working poor wanting to live and all.
The Pork Barrel argument is just plain silly. It's nothing more than campaign rhetoric.
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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Berengaria
Thank goodness you're finally opening your eyes Min
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So are Republicans now openly terrorists?
by Simon inthey seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
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Berengaria
As to what the electorate voted for: The current makeup of the House of Representatives also represents the electorate, just at the local level rather than the entire country. There is considerable opposition to the ACA in various parts of the country.
I agree with tootired, just let the dems own it. If its the mess the Republicans think its going to be, the Democrats can clean it up.
As for the House, Democrats actually recieved more votes, but through gerrymandered districts the GOP took seats.
People seem to prefer the Affordable Care Act over Obamacare, imagine that. If they are questioned on the individual components, they have an even higher approval. There has been so much disinformation spewed by the Republicans and their various talking heads, people have no idea what to think, other than to be afraid.
If the Republicans really thought it was going to be so bad, they wouldn't be trying to stop it. Even Ted Cruz called it "sugar" and pointed out that if they don't stop it now (before it goes into effect), they won't have another chance because people will like it.