sabastious

Joined

• started 380 topics
• posted 9,389 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by sabastious

• 
  168

  Jehovah correcting the organization

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

  story of jonah would work great too.

  the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  Very good post, Sab.

  But I doubt you'll get a response from Alice. Even if you do, it will not likely be coherent.

  Ur prolly right :(
• 
  168

  Jehovah correcting the organization

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

  story of jonah would work great too.

  the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  btt
• 
  168

  Jehovah correcting the organization

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

  story of jonah would work great too.

  the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  @palmtree67

  Indeed, are there any quotes that have the finger pointed at themselves specifically? They can't be content with lumping themselves in with the rank and file right? They have a high responsibility.

  -Sab
• 
  15

  Biggest Reason For My Leaving....

  by Fester in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wanted to share with everyone, why i left religion all together, in favor of thinking for myself, and believing in myself.. in the bible, there are of course several accounts which i consider to be barbaric and gruesome.

  i also consider the worst accounts to be inhumane.

  if the bible god is consistent in one thing, it is the continuing theme of inflicting torture and torment on humanity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  Besides, who wants to be surrounded in eternal life with Jehovah's Witnesses?

  Governed by a God who destroys on whims.

  "Hey honey how did your day go?"

  "Not great, Billy got turned into salt."

  "Man that's 20 this week?"

  "And that's JUST the salted ones!"

  -Sab
• 
  15

  Biggest Reason For My Leaving....

  by Fester in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wanted to share with everyone, why i left religion all together, in favor of thinking for myself, and believing in myself.. in the bible, there are of course several accounts which i consider to be barbaric and gruesome.

  i also consider the worst accounts to be inhumane.

  if the bible god is consistent in one thing, it is the continuing theme of inflicting torture and torment on humanity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  Man...Jehovah is REALLY cleaning out his organization in this last part of the last days. Too cool! I am sure you will not be the last. Only those that endure till the end will be saved. See? Since I won´t leave...I can actually ASK Jehovah your question and get a good answer. I can ask Noah what it was like.

  Why don´t you wait until that time and not be so stubborn now?

  We're all going to have a good laugh about this in the Afterlife. So petty.

  -Sab
• 
  19

  This is a very well thought out statement

  by upnorth in

  1. social
  2. current

  this quote came from the czech republic .

  someone over there has it figured out.

  we have a lot of work to do.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  The way I see it. Obama is doing us all a favor. He is exposing the wholes in our system. When he leaves, we will pick up the peices and find out how f*uck he got away with it and fill those holes as best we can.

  -Sab
• 
  168

  Jehovah correcting the organization

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read the account of moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of king david's folly and his consequences.. ...read them.... ...you are still reading.... ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.. jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen.

  story of jonah would work great too.

  the point being that in the bible god has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his earthly organization.. that being said, where did that arrangement go?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  Read the account of Moses taking the credit for the water provision miracle and that of King David's folly and his consequences.

  ...read them...

  ...you are still reading...

  ...ok now you have that fresh in your mind.

  Jehovah had a correctional arrangement in place for all his spokesmen. Story of Jonah would work great too. The point being that in the Bible God has always had this correctional arrangement for the leaders of his Earthly Organization.

  That being said, where did that arrangement go? Surely you don't believe that the Governing Body is infallable; they are most defininitely vulnerable to the misuse of power as were some of the greatest men to walk the earth that Jehovah even called friends...

  So lets bring up a hypothetical:

  The Governing Body decides to overstep their authority and abandons the Search for Bible Truth and interjects their own ideas into Watchtower Doctrine...

  What would happen? Is there an article in the Watchtower somewhere that details the consequences of their actions? Is there anything written about it? Any policies created to handle such misuse?

  The answer is no. Not one word is written into Watchtower Policy to make sure the Governing Body does their job correctly. They have absolute power in Watchtower Policy and Doctrinal Truth and New Light.

  The members are required to take their word even when they do not understand or even when a policy seemingly affects their lives in a negative way.

  The Iraelites had the security that if Moses f*cked up, he would answer very quickly for his actions. King David's subjects enjoyed the same provision.

  God does not change, it is quite odd that this arrangement no longer exists, and hasen't for a very long time.

  Now here is the real point, a Watchtower came out in 2009 Nov 15th that had this to say about the Governing Body's position:

  The spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience" is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe. (Eph. 2:2) That spirit can cause us to think that we do not need guidance from Jehovah's organization. Surely we do not want to be like Diotrephes, who would not 'receive anything from the apostle John with respect.' (3 John 9, 10) We need to guard against developing a spirit of independence. By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class. And should we not strive to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in our local congregation?--Read Hebrews 13:7, 17.

  This strikes me as odd. The direct correctional arrangement that God had during the Bible times is gone. That, in turn, should lower the authority of the leaders, since they have no one to answer to anymore.

  They are the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" a fitting name for the leaders in the Last Days wouldn't you think? They are the food dispensors. Not the authority on scriptual doctrine or micromanaging spiritual policies. They are guides.

  Even though they refer to themselves as humble servants, they are much more than that. Reading through the accounds of Moses and David, I don't even think they had the audacity to demand allegience like in the quote above. If you ask me, they acted more as servants than the Governing Body does.

  So here is the actual question, because I'm sure this topic could be debated for eons:

  "Do you blame anyone for choosing to follow a path seperate from the Governing Body because they feel they can't, in good conscience, follow leaders who they feel have overstepped their God-given boundries and authorities and have no one, or ever will, to answer to in this system of things?"

  -Sab
• 
  25

  Remain Close to the Governing Body DC

  by gutted in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just finished all 3 days of the dc and, for what it's worth, wanted to get down some of the highlights i enjoyed.

  i went with family and i only did it for them, and hope to never attend another assembly ever again.. .

  the whole thing was pretty boring and uncomfortable due to the stadium style seating which doesn't favour my long legs and ac being blasted too high.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  So long gutted! It seems as it you have made your choice to no longer serve Jehovah. Yup...It´s a SELF SACRIFICING way of life. Everyone on this board doesn´t have it. They are ME ME ME! You study more here than you did the bible. THAT is your downfall. You came here with your guard down. These people here don´t love you. Only the organization does. You should have heeded the advice and NOT come here. You SHOULD have strengthend your faith by study of the faithful slave´s material. It is lifesaving.

  The org doesn´t have all the answers. We won´t FULLY know everything until the new system. Jehovah´s people are doing their best to search through the bible to find the closest answer possible. To have you guys mock their efforts is SO sad.

  This guys is so not for real. He may be a witness, but no way he's not trolling.

  Quite the ruse you got going here BANE, hope your having fun, doesn't seem to be getting old for ya.

  -Sab
• 
  43

  Observations since the book study arrangement finished

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone have any interesting observations since the book study arrangement in private homes finished?.

  are jws happier with the extra night off?

  do they miss the book study?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  @yknot

  Do you think the Org disbanded the book studies because of that kind of thing happening? They have always discouraged against "independent group research or thinking" and that was exactly what the book study groups could easily become.

  -Sab
• 
  126

  Australian brothers VERY negative comments regarding new "generations" ... some leaving Bethel..will this blow up in the Watchtowers face?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a brother i spoke with from bethel to me seemed discouraged and lacking zeal latley...he spoke of leaving which shocked me since he was there for decades...he left to get a full time job!!!

  it was his whole reason for living since i've known him!

  others have said the new doctrine of "blended generations" of anionted seeing armagedon is "confusing" or "i just don't get it"...one brother my only close friend is furious and said i qoute..."they seem to be blowing smoke up our ass!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sabastious

  The reason most people in developed nations reject God is because they desire other things.

  What other informative gems can you find from out of that ass of yours?

  -Sab