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  Adam and Eve and free will

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  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  As a lesson it is stupid, I could write a better story to explain why it's bad to want more than what you have. As an alegory is it convoluted.

  -Sab
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  125

  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  The story of Adam and Eve is NOT thought-provoking or deep. And as a literal story is makes absolutely no sense (i.e women were made from man's rib?? what?).

  It needs to fade away but that's just wishful thinking on my part.

  -Sab
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  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  I'm saying that if someone is going to suggest that it MUST mean something else then WHAT did it mean?

  You reference that word and say it could mean basically any given time period... which doesn't help it just adds confusion to the story.

  What was God saying to Adam when he said that? Why do we have to jump through hoops and accomplish mental gymnastics over this simple part of the story of Adam and Eve???

  I mean, from my standpoint the story needs to be trashed. If the writer is trying to be clever then he fails in my book. If the writer is trying to make sense he fails in my book. So when it's all said and done this story is a wash and it's dumbfounding that so many people take it as literal human history.

  -Sab
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  125

  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  God: "Do not eat from that Tree or you shall die at some period of time after it has been eaten!"

  Adam: "lolwut?"

  -Sab
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  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  So you are telling me that there a hebrew word that denotes an "unknown stretch of time" and this word was used to tell Adam and Eve how long it would take for them to die if they ate from the tree?

  -Sab
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  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  He said THAT VERY DAY. Odd thing to say when humans don't have a 1000 year day, they have a 24 hour day. Why so cryptic?

  -Sab
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  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  Exactly, he was VERY plain that in the very day of their eating they would die. They didn't.

  That is an interesting point because the Witnesses would say that God's day was 1000 years. But we only know that from the Bible. It is safe to assume that they would think that he was talking about a literal 24 hour day.

  -Sab
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  Adam and Eve and free will

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pondering over this dilemma:.

  lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.

  watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.

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  sabastious

  The fall of Adma and Eve is a story, a lesson, in the dangers of wanting more than we have, of desiring without regard of consequence.

  ^ I don't believe that this is what the story was originally about. As a story in the Bible, yes, but as the story that the Bible's version is based off:

  Adam and Eve (the first couple) had what I refer as to the "First Choice."

  This first choice was given to them by their creator. The choice was this:

  Do you want to live under the rule of God and forsake your ability to know Good and Bad (another way of saying Free Will) or do you want to eat from the Tree of Good and Bad and go off on your own.

  The Witnesses would have us believe that one choice was better than the other but I strongly disagree. It was simply a choice both having pros and cons. Free Will entails suffering but eventual complete freedom. Rule under God meant forsaking Free Will and living as God's pets (I don't mean that in a bad sense).

  Of course Humans ended up choosing Free Will because of what we see today, we ARE free to choose in our lives.

  This ability we have has been bitter sweet. A problem that needs solving in this system is somehow keeping certain people from seeking absolute power, because once someone has obtained this power it negates the Free Will of his subjects and it nutralizes the original First Choice.

  I hope this makes sense.

  -Sab
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  Do you think your baptism is still valid?

  by karter in

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  i got baptised about 25 years ago and was told the new system would be here by now.. along with a lot of other false promises.. so the answer for me would be no!!

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  sabastious

  NO

  -Sab
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  JW's came to the door

  by pr0ner in

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  ha i love it when they come to the door.

  two dub females came to the door.

  one of them seemed pretty intelligent and down to the earth.

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  sabastious

  Holy sh*t eggnog, that is a WALL of text.

  -Sab