SAB..... Did your brain not once consider that maybe you are missing some facts ?
Starting out with an ad hominem, I win from the get go.
As you can see Sab, there will always be a spontaneous tendancy towards entropy. Defined neatly in the second law of thermodynamics.
Really, so life in the universe will NEVER find a solution to entrophy? Really? I don't think you have a basis to make this claim. I don't think you are factoring in a superceding law of the universe which is "necessity is the mother of invention." All problems have solutions, that's the faith I have, even entrophy.
Entropy is the tendency towards disorder and everything in the universe and the universe itself follows this law. As everything has a tendency to decay, there wont be anything left SAB, hence to suggest that we may have a solution is once again, another indicator of your lack of appreciation for what is being discussed.
What you call a lack of appreciation I call openmindedness, which you seem to serverly lack. The fact is that we have no idea what is in store for our future and the laws of entrophy are not an eternal obstacle. If humanity has taught us anything it's that we can solve any problem providing we don't go extinct. Even if we do another species will evolve and have a chance to solve the eternal problem of death.
We will cease to exist, our solution would cease to exist.... EVERYTHING in the universe will cease to exist..... Get the idea now?
Of course I do, and nothing you said so far has been anything I am unaware of as you purport. The freezing universe problem is one where we have a lot of time to prepare for. It would be like a world destroying asteroid coming our way, but that it won't arive for billions of years. What if we find a way to live in the cold of space? What about space stations?
Every atom in the universe will decay, every sun that produces atoms will eventually cease to exist and die out...... and a long time in the future, a looooooong looooooong looooong time in the future, everything will have decayed to nothing.
This is the kind of negative thinking I hear from a lot of scientists. They stubbornly don't take into consideration the HUMAN FACTOR, or the factor of high intelligence. What YOU fail to appreciate is that along with all this decay humanity is and will be watching it all happen. "Adversity reveals genius, prosperity conceals it." As oblivion creeps up we will always find a way out, this is human nature, to survive.
Number one, please dont say silly things like ... The laws of thermodynamics are wrong.... Especially if you have no alternate set of laws with evidence to back them and prove them tested, btw this would be a fine example of you contributing to society/science/mankind, all the best with that.
I don't think the laws of theromodynamics are wrong, not by any stretch of the imagination. I do not, however, count out the idea of using our intelligence to eventually find a way AROUND those laws which would be steps towards escaping the effects of entrophy altogether.
Second, this is a long time off, to think of it now is ridiculous. It is bazillions of years in the future. But then again the death of our sun, planet and galaxy is not that far off comparatively...... Oooh
The deep freeze IS just an example, replacing it with alternate doomsday scenarios is just as sufficient for the arguments. My point is that while it is a negative thought, there is no reason to believe that humanity is just waiting to be eternally destroyed. That's why the "God wouldn't let us die forever" argument is appealing. We don't have to think that we eventually are snuffed out of existence and are powerless to stop it. The largest piece of evidence for this is that we are STILL AROUND. I don't think it's beyond the strech of imagination to think that we are cared about. It doesn't even have to be God, it could be humanitarian-like aliens. Is there an alien organization called "Save-a-species" on the other side of the universe with a file called "Humanity"? Hope is hope, you don't have to call it God, you can call it salvation through love. Secularism wants to paint this picture where aliens would just harvest us, but I don't think that at all, I think that's just misdirection from the truth, which is that it's out THERE, in space.
Thirdly, most parents are sufficiently emotionally devloped to realise that such information is not appropriate for a young child, though still true. Just as telling a child the truth that when they die they will be consumed by maggots while their body lies in a dark wooden box is simply wrong, discussing the death of the universe can perhaps be dealt with at a later age also.
I never said I would use this information to scare my kid, I asked what if he brings it up? How do you handle it at the various junctures of adolescence?
How selfish to think the universe would alter due to our own desire to want to 'continue' in some form beyond death.
Selfish? I don't agree at all, we simply want to live as long as possible and if eternal life is possible many would take it (using the world selfish is weird). Even so, no one wants our species to go extinct and we will exhaust every option before we do and I think because of that our species will always be around no matter what.
Fourth, maybe buy some textbooks as information proves our situation to not be hopeless doom, but inprobable good fortune! What was the probability that in the galaxy we know of with life, your sperm survived an act of strange ritual intercourse between the sexes of a great ape species and you now are able to enjoy life and read this sentence.
Don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for my own life and I do see it as a type of good fortune. However not everyone is fortunate to have life, what about a child who grows up to be 5 years old and then dies of starvation in front of it's parents? Do you want to tell those parents that they are a fortunate case of improbability?
Doom and gloom is a perception, specifically yours. The universe was unlikely to ever have existed. Celebrate it and appreciate it by ENJOYING your short visit here.
It's soooo odd that you throw all the blame on me for bringing up a doom and gloom scenario that SCIENCE taught me about. Anyway, have a good day. I won't be responding to your reply to this message because I can tell it's simply not worth it.
Sabastious, have you considered cognitive behavior therapy? Basically, it's learning to change the way you think. A good psychologist and being willing to try can go a really long way toward allowing you to see the present and the future in a different, better light. It's not a quick fix. It takes some work, but it could be helpful. Research it a little. I'm sure there are other therapies that would help too. I'm just speaking from experience. If you're anxious and depressed, it can help with those feelings as well.
The only solutions are the one's that humans come up with in conjuncture with the Will of God. The more people who let go of the hand of God the less probable our future will be bright. I have a positive outlook because of my faith, but if I were ever to become a secularist I would be quite the depressed soul unless I was really making a BIG difference. There is too much suffering in this world to just focus on my own fulfilments unless that fulfilment is obtained by helping others.
Being grateful everyday for what you have and planning according to current and near future conditions is the best thing to do. We are not guaranteed that will live to see tomorrow anyway, Sab. So make the best of each day. Here in Grand Rapids this week, a young woman nearly stopped her car on the freeway to avoid a deer. She was hit by a pile up of cars and died on the scene. We never know when we will go.
I'm not sure how that is a positve thing. I personally am about avoiding senseless death because I still have a lot to accomplish on this planet. It seems plausible that as long as you are traveling on your path of destiny you don't have to worry about an unfortunate end such as the one you mentioned. Eternal vigilance is always rewarded in full. If you are NOT on your path of destiny then you are not holding the hand of God and therefore protection is limited.
-Sab
