some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
So you don't think I am a WT agent because I'm too obvious annd the real agents are sly and you wouldn't think are agents? Interesting. Logically, by not thinking I am an agent, you should suspect me....
After countless hours in my study I narrowed it down to two possibilities A) Watchtower agent B) A**hole
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
Sabby, do you REALLY think I am a WTS agent?
I think you are part of a Watchtower program that involves atheism. Essentially, you are still mind controlled without your awareness. The same is true for me as well, but our personalities are determining how the mind control is continuing to manifest after prolonged direct application. Both of us are attempting to retain individuality after an assult on our minds. What the Watchtower did to our minds was extensive and neuroscience continues to prove that (there should be compensation for all members). There's just not a whole lot of specific data in regards to Watchtower subjects. The real Watchtower agents are MUCH more subtle and sly than you.
Your contributions are appreciated and important, but I do wish you weren't so often negative.
Thanks Ray for the constructive feedback. Honestly, I try my best not to be negative, but the Watchtower makes our lives so miserable if we speak out about their abuse. It's a lot like how bullies work on the school yard. My family doesn't hafve a problem with me being an ex member, just that I am an outspoken one. They want me to be a "good ex member" and shut up about my abuse. They create a stereotype for their own ex members and then they use it to try to control you even on the outside. "See so and so, they just left without a word. They are better than you." Whenever I bring it up any past abuse I am told to stop being so negative. Well, abuse is negative so how does one get around that resistence? Frankly, the only way is through it. You showed an example of that with your bravery in your apostate judicial committee. I cannot believe all the negative stuff that has happened to you.
Steven Hassan says that we were not stupid to act in the way that we did. Can you blame a fish for being duped by a lure specifically designed to catch it? The people who mistreat us have no idea what they are doing because they are being mind controlled by agents of unthinkable evil. The vast majority of them would never act so badly, so what is happening? It's because they are traumatized and are malfunctioning because of it. They have been living their whole life swallowing a lie and they are desperately trying to get that payoff they always dream about. The Watchtower has work camps disguised as religious institutions. Slave masters masqurading as religious gurus and slaves believing they are saving the world one door at a time.
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
Wait, I mean, nothing to see here folks, move along...agents? What covert agents?
You're more of a pawn than a rook and all serve the queen.
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
I might start thinking that YOU are a WTS agent out to scare people ...
I think you're in over your head. This organization will and has defended itself and it will use every means necessary to stay alive. It's survival at this point. There will always be bethel toilets that need scrubbing. I am just a kid who the Watchtower spit out and I am slowly picking up the pieces of my life. I have said my piece. This isn't about fear, it's about focus.
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
I can't prove a negative, Sab. Go find the invisible agents yourself.
They're not invisible. They are out in the open for everybody to see. It's the Watchtower Lawyers and their people. They are mind controlled with a higher tier technology than the rank and file. We only see what they let us see. They mean business and they work for Jehovah. They work in the system which is the only real battlefront. What happens when Watchtower loses their tax exemption status? Will they simply call that the beginnings of the pangs of distress? What does that look like? The western world has a problem and it's called the Watchtower.
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
...and you claiming they do exist does not make them a problem.
Can you detail out for me how the Watchtower reacted to the JWN threat? How do you think billion dollar religious corporations defend themselves? I would love to hear how you see it. They sure reacted to Unthank pretty fiercely. Did they just cower before the awesomeness of JWN? Or do they have a plan? Is that plan in action? If so, what does that plan look like?
I see them as a mind control cult that would employ their own internal tactics if threatened. Why not deploy the methods they have developed secretly for over a century? From what I have seen they never do their own dirty work. Logically, this particular organization would use mind control to get others to do their enemies in. But, you're right, what do I know?
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, Sabastious. Where is the Watchtower Agent Training Manual? In the wider world, the JW and the ex-JW community aren't even (1%) a blip on the radar screen.
I suggest you engage with them for a time and write a manual yourself. Denying they exist is not a solution.
-Sab
some people recently raised concerns about security of the site relating to whether forum members could be watchtower plants trying to obtain information about people.
apparently, this was because a previous forum that was setup was either owned by or later handed over to someone who used it to collect personal information about people which was then used to harrass them.
i don't know all the details, i'm just paraphrasing what i've heard and recognize that it's a concern to some people.. i want to first of all put people's minds at rest: i've been running this site for what will be 13 years next month.
This is a support group which means people are going to be giving out details about their life struggle leaving or living in the Watchtower. What happened at JWS can happen to any online forum no matter how secure it is. Watchtower agents are often trained in basic psychology and seek out to destroy the spirit of influential members and sow general discord within the community. They exist in large numbers on the internet. The Watchtower would like NOTHING BETTER than for this site in particular to be shut down. This is because JWN is thoroughly worked into the search engine indexes and more is added every day. Jehovah's Witnesses use search engines like anybody else and all it takes is a single search to bring up a JWN thread that adequately refutes the Watchtower. If the site was shut down completely all the links in the search engines would suddenly stop working which would mean searching JW's will not find the awesome discussions that have occured on this forum for 13 years. A great deal of people have been helped out of the Watchtower by this site as served to them by search engines.
This is the fastest moving EXJW community on the internet. Even the EXJW subreddit is slower. This is because it has been managed well for 13 years and has accrued a loyal writer base. This site is much like a newspaper, but it's customers are worldwide rather than a localized group. Many people come here for it's "columnists" and up to date Watchtower information. This place is one of the top threats to the Watchtower's fortune which means it has a target on it. They will do everything in their power to take this site down. This would include having agents who pose as our friends with ill intent.
For all agents that are currently reading this, please leave this site immediately and find a real job. You are waging a war you cannot possibly win and are defending criminals who prey on the weak, the small and the sick.
-Sab
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shoemaker.
shoemaker96 up, 38 down lazy, sloppy, incompetent cooks who frequently use short cuts as a substitute for hard-work and skill.
shoemakers are rarely capable of cleaning up after themselves, frequently earning the enmity and contempt of the dishwashers.
apologies if this has already been posted about.
i just checked back on the last 3/4 pages of threads and couldn't see it, so here goes.. i stumbled on the following danmera video about an article on attending meetings by a non-witness.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2uxzpaqku.
intigued, i thought i would check it out, and it's hilarious!.
That article is like an episode from the Twilight Zone. What kind of presentation opener is, "Do you want to die?" Unreal!!
-Sab
