It is just another fable that muses about how and why, etc.
The problem, as tec has demonstrated, is that it is in the same book as Jesus, and if you call the story of Adam and Eve stupid that it somehow degrades the Christian Concept.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Were talking about this story in it's historical context, not it's continuity in the Bible.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Tec,
The story of Adam and Eve long predates the Gospels and story of Jesus Christ. How is it that you use Jesus to explain Genesis? What about the thousands of years where this information was not present.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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The whole story as written and interpreted assumes Satan is an idiot.
Eve & Adam are tempted first into eating of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, whereas, any creature with super human intellegence, would have got A&E to eat from the tree of life first! Then they live forever and also have knowledge of good and evil. God, in that case would have 'lost' 6000 years ago.
Which is one reason why the story is obvious allegory, it does't make sense as a linear story. As an allegory it doesn't hold much water either...
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Spiritual death. They did die in that day.
^ Mental gymnastics, case in point.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Sarcasam aside, IF we take the story as fact and we shouldn't, we see that God gave them everything and the only thing God denied them is the knowledge of Pain, Evil, misery and sorrow and that is what they wanted, so in the end, God gave them what they wanted.
Isn't this what well meaning parent do to their kids who end up spoiled with no real world savy?
You can't shield us from pain, pain and sorrow, evil and misery are part of the Path. The Path is what is important not the end of the rainbow. That's just my opinion.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Funnt how that worked out for them eh?
It frightens me that you condone this act of God.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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And as a side note, notverylikely, why does your gravatar have a penis? And what is wrong with it? It's reddish on the tip.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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Moral may have been "careful what you wish for, you just might get it".
So they wished to live life the way they wanted and wanted to actually be able to tell the difference between right and wrong... then God cursed them and they took 1000 years to die and died as old feeble defeated people...
Dude, this story sucks.
I'd rather read Rudyard Kipling, with him I don't have to worry about millions of people believing that's actually how the Elephant got it's trunk, and how that explains the meaning of life.
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Adam and Eve and free will
by inbetween inpondering over this dilemma:.
lets just say, for arguments sake, the report in genesis about the first humans is not an allegory, but a true event:.
watchtower teaches, that adam sinned, because he used his free will to disobey.. god grants free will to his human creation, because he wants them to serve him out of love.. ok, good, but i give an example: i meet a girl, tell her, she is free to love me, but if not, i kill her.. would you call this free will ?.
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The GOSPELS are the Bible's claim to fame, there is some timeless stuff in there with REAL HUMAN LESSONS... for some reason people feel that the rest of the crazy Bible needs to be held with the same esteem, I think that is a gross oversight in history.
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