..and I thought I was bad at getting back to my threads lol!
Making assumptions can bring devastatingconsequences. Reaching for understanding and real answers may take more work...but is a much better investment.
freeflyingfaerie
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A Religion of Assumptions
by Cold Steel inthe jehovah's witnesses are a strange cultural phenomenon and one that has always puzzled me.
members call it "the truth" and, more boldly, "jehovah's organization.
" but many of those on the outside remain dumbfounded.
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My brother the Rule-Breaker
by freeflyingfaerie inhe called me yesterday, as he does every once in a while out of the clear blue...just to chat.
that's the best part, it wasnt' a memorial invite or tragic news.. my parents only ring me about deaths or to say hi to my little ones and see that i still have a pulse, and i only ring them to speak to my sister (with down's syndrome, she doesn't have her own phone) and tell them i love them.. my youngest brother only called once as a sheparding visit upon becoming knighted, or eldered, whatever it's called.
and my other brother and i havent had contact in five years (which is kind of amazing, as he was always a daredevil rebel).. my older brother, though, warmed my heart by being a bad boy and calling me and texting photos.
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freeflyingfaerie
problem~ hi back atcha. When i first left, the parents would not allow me to have contact with my sister..and after a while i didn't let them have time with my little ones either. That just didn't feel right though, it wasn't fair to the girls, and i eventually went back to what i consider the way it should be: grandkids and grandparents having some sort of relationship. They eventually 'let' me have a few moments with my little sister. They can act like jerks, but i just don't want to stoop down to that level and use the same tactics they use anymore. Maybe they'll one day get tired of being so harsh, after all harsh takes a lot of energy.
That's awesome that your wife is beginning to wake up! Happy for you both!
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My brother the Rule-Breaker
by freeflyingfaerie inhe called me yesterday, as he does every once in a while out of the clear blue...just to chat.
that's the best part, it wasnt' a memorial invite or tragic news.. my parents only ring me about deaths or to say hi to my little ones and see that i still have a pulse, and i only ring them to speak to my sister (with down's syndrome, she doesn't have her own phone) and tell them i love them.. my youngest brother only called once as a sheparding visit upon becoming knighted, or eldered, whatever it's called.
and my other brother and i havent had contact in five years (which is kind of amazing, as he was always a daredevil rebel).. my older brother, though, warmed my heart by being a bad boy and calling me and texting photos.
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freeflyingfaerie
BOTR~ "From their viewpoint, they were risking their eternal lives to talk to us."
It does come down to that, doesnt' it.
Btw, you have an interesting way of writing. Interesting good.
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My brother the Rule-Breaker
by freeflyingfaerie inhe called me yesterday, as he does every once in a while out of the clear blue...just to chat.
that's the best part, it wasnt' a memorial invite or tragic news.. my parents only ring me about deaths or to say hi to my little ones and see that i still have a pulse, and i only ring them to speak to my sister (with down's syndrome, she doesn't have her own phone) and tell them i love them.. my youngest brother only called once as a sheparding visit upon becoming knighted, or eldered, whatever it's called.
and my other brother and i havent had contact in five years (which is kind of amazing, as he was always a daredevil rebel).. my older brother, though, warmed my heart by being a bad boy and calling me and texting photos.
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freeflyingfaerie
Hi Kate~ guess that's true, it isn't complete shunning. Maybe he talks to me because he was df'd himself before. Difference is that even when he was 'out', he still always maintained that the JW's are the true religion. He doesn't seem to understand that difference. I know the religion is a big fat lie.
woj~ are you still 'active' in the religion?
Adam~ Good point about the biblical support for shunning. It would be a complete waste of energy to argue that (or just about anything, for that matter...they have an 'answer' for everything). And I'm not about to drop the bomb on him that I no longer believe that the bible is anything more than man-made stories...let alone that I no longer have any reason to believe in any sort of god. Biting my tongue.
When we talk, a flood of thoughts come and I want to download all the things i've learned since leaving right to his hard drive. But he's gonna have to do all of his own work to mentally free him self. It'll take some skill to get him to think and question. Still working on how to keep it concise and keep emotion out of it.
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Thanksgiving?
by freeflyingfaerie inhere in the u.s. of a., come one week from today, families will come together to feast in celebration of the day in 1621 when pilgrims and native americans shared feasting for three days... ...and then the natives were slaughtered and driven out of the lands in the coming years.
i wondered if native americans themselves celebrate thanksgiving... (interesting findings out there).
cast your votes as to whether or not i'm a freakazoid for not celebrating it!
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freeflyingfaerie
So today is not about history. I won't ever celebrate a Thanksgiving for its real meaning (just don't buy it).
It'll be about being with friends. More specifically~ my ex's uncle's ex and her family. Wow, how did that happen.
Maybe it's the JW background, maybe it's my inherent personality? But I'm just not very traditional. Enjoying time with great people, however is good stuff, and since times like these are when people seem to come together, count me in.
Cheers to all~
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My brother the Rule-Breaker
by freeflyingfaerie inhe called me yesterday, as he does every once in a while out of the clear blue...just to chat.
that's the best part, it wasnt' a memorial invite or tragic news.. my parents only ring me about deaths or to say hi to my little ones and see that i still have a pulse, and i only ring them to speak to my sister (with down's syndrome, she doesn't have her own phone) and tell them i love them.. my youngest brother only called once as a sheparding visit upon becoming knighted, or eldered, whatever it's called.
and my other brother and i havent had contact in five years (which is kind of amazing, as he was always a daredevil rebel).. my older brother, though, warmed my heart by being a bad boy and calling me and texting photos.
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freeflyingfaerie
He called me yesterday, as he does every once in a while out of the clear blue...just to chat. That's the best part, it wasnt' a memorial invite or tragic news.
My parents only ring me about deaths or to say hi to my little ones and see that I still have a pulse, and I only ring them to speak to my sister (with Down's Syndrome, she doesn't have her own phone) and tell them I love them.
My youngest brother only called once as a sheparding visit upon becoming knighted, or eldered, whatever it's called. And my other brother and I havent had contact in five years (which is kind of amazing, as he was always a daredevil rebel).
My older brother, though, warmed my heart by being a bad boy and calling me and texting photos. He says every time he calls, ' I know I'm not supposed to, but I love you and ...you're my sister!' I'm so glad that he manages to listen to his true self against the demands of the WT, even if for only a few minutes. He said he understands the reasons why he's not supposed to talk to me: to help me back (don't hold your breath!). I always say the shunning has the opposite effect: confirms that I made the right choice in leaving. We agreed that it's best not to disuss religion at this point. We also agreed that the show The Big Bang Theory is Hilarious
Love to all~
P.S. When I think of my brother, sometimes the Metallica song The Unforgiven comes into my head~
What I've felt
what I've known
never shined through
in what I've shown
Never be never see
won't see what might have been...
What I've felt
what I've known
never shined through
in what I've shown
Never free never me
so I dub thee Unforgiven..
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Thanksgiving?
by freeflyingfaerie inhere in the u.s. of a., come one week from today, families will come together to feast in celebration of the day in 1621 when pilgrims and native americans shared feasting for three days... ...and then the natives were slaughtered and driven out of the lands in the coming years.
i wondered if native americans themselves celebrate thanksgiving... (interesting findings out there).
cast your votes as to whether or not i'm a freakazoid for not celebrating it!
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freeflyingfaerie
Obsessing again..
..About the 'melting' of traditions (Skeeter :) )..
This sounds beautiful at first, as if there is some peaceful cultural quilt being created or a braid of colours from various peoples. But, I think maybe the melting has become a diluting in this case.
When I walk through a store and see the advertisements and products that are for the holidays, it seems to me that the people who have created the holiday rituals for today are those in the commercial element. Regarding Thanksgiving, I don't really sense a feeling of honour and love for the natural world (that many Native American traditionsare based on). I see something else.
Again, I go back to my cave..
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The Invention Of Lying (my favorite clip)
by gubberningbody inhttp://www.webtv.si/v/39412/the-man-in-the-sky.
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freeflyingfaerie
Just stumbled upon it and glad I did
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Thanksgiving?
by freeflyingfaerie inhere in the u.s. of a., come one week from today, families will come together to feast in celebration of the day in 1621 when pilgrims and native americans shared feasting for three days... ...and then the natives were slaughtered and driven out of the lands in the coming years.
i wondered if native americans themselves celebrate thanksgiving... (interesting findings out there).
cast your votes as to whether or not i'm a freakazoid for not celebrating it!
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freeflyingfaerie
rebel~ It does seem like it has evolved into being simply a harvest family dinner...or whatever you want to make of it...of course that goes with just about anything, I guess. We create our own ways and styles of living and being
skeeter~ yeah, I did actually watch it..you're right, it didn't end well. Maybe not Alaska alone. A girl can dream of the tropics or some wild and exotic escape, cant she? :)
Here's the sad part (poor me): If togetherness is the truest stuff of life...well then I'm screwed.
The last few years I was a stray taken in by some great friends on Thanksgiving. It was just about being warm and together, and I didn't give much thought to the history of it. It was just a new experience. I've since moved and the social life is well...still taking form. Holiday or any other day of the year, it's true to say that sharing your life with people you love and like makes life rich. Ok, enough of that.
"melting of traditions"...I like that
Gopher~ ha ha! thank you WT for helping to create a monster!....now I am still ultra sensitive about certain things, and though my reasons may be different now, there's still a strong reaction at times when certain subjects are brought up. I'll spontaneously go into deep thought and get lost there
clarity~ "like speaking without being able to hear"...interesting
mind blown~ you're crazy :)
enjoy your dinner with your friend!
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Thanksgiving?
by freeflyingfaerie inhere in the u.s. of a., come one week from today, families will come together to feast in celebration of the day in 1621 when pilgrims and native americans shared feasting for three days... ...and then the natives were slaughtered and driven out of the lands in the coming years.
i wondered if native americans themselves celebrate thanksgiving... (interesting findings out there).
cast your votes as to whether or not i'm a freakazoid for not celebrating it!
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freeflyingfaerie
cleanbrain~ Ha! I'm a pesco/ovo vegetarian.
Finding that I was a strange being living the life of a JW for all those years...and now, still a strange being. Going against the grain on a lot of subjects, biting my tongue at times. Daydream about living in the wild.. or at least maybe coastal Oregon or something :)